Slim Playstation 2, "Green Screen" fault?

[jedi55]

Hi,
Does anyone here know if the new slim Playstation 2, still has the "Green Screen" fault?

[HaHaUK]

i doubt it will. sony will probably rectify the problem. do the newer models still have the same problem?

[Kubrick]

Yes they do. The "problem" is a deliberate thing by Sony to prevent piracy or something... so I wouldn't be surprised if PStwo has the same "feature".

[Pij]

Green screen while playing DVD's? if so thats macrovision so that will still be there.

If you mean in games, change it to RGB in the setup menu.

[Wild_Cat]

Actually, the green screen "bug" is completely unrelated to Macrovision (AFAIK, Macrovision ****s up the image very badly, bringing about lots of fake compression artifacts, as if all the key-frames were missing). It was introduced on purpose by Sony to prevent it from vampirizing all the "regular" DVD player sales.

When you try to play a video DVD in your (regular, non-modded) PS2 using an RGB cable, the green screen bug activates. You have to use composite or S-Video output to be able to read video discs in the console. This ensures that people who want high-quality DVD playback will still buy a regular DVD player (capable of RGB output -- hopefully, of course, a Sony one) in addition to their PS2.

Needless to say, chances are high that the green screen feature will still be present in the PSTwo.

[Papercut]

You are all wrong.


The green screen is not a glitch, but the PS2 forcing component instead of RGB video out on DVD playback. The reason -

When it comes to DVD players, the PS2 gets classed as a computer.

Unlike a domestic DVD player, this means it is not allowed to output interlaced RGB on DVD Video playback.

The very first Japanese PS2, that loaded the DVD player software onto a memory card from disk, had region free codes _and_ RGB playback. Later models were crippled to comply with the licensing.

[Papercut]

So to answer the question... chances are the PSTwo will still force component video on DVD playback.

[Wild_Cat]

o.O
Huh? Which consortium ruled something as stupid as "computers shall not output RGB when playing DVDs"? And why?



PS: Wasn't the first Jap PS2's region-freeness a bug rather than a feature?

PPS: That's composite video you're talking about (the yellow RCA cable), not component.

[Pij]

Unlike a domestic DVD player, this means it is not allowed to output interlaced RGB

Then why does it allow you to watch it through component?

The models previous to the V9 could only do interlaced. So effectivly its just carrying an RGB signal. Only difference is its carryed throught the cable a different way (YPbPr) while also forcing macrovision encoding hency why i and many think its because of macrovision. As RGB through a scart has no encoding and is easy to copy.

[Leon Retro]

Sony are a big bunch of madmen in suits, they need help!!!

[Super Stu]

How come the Xbox, a PC in sheep's clothing, can output DVD via RGB then? If, somehow, the Xbox doesn't get classed as a computer and the PS2 does (I assume you mean beyond the EU tax dodge, too), then someone needs a jolly good kick up the arse.

Not that I care, Xbox for DVDs all the way for me. Heh.

[mid]

When it comes to DVD players, the PS2 gets classed as a computer.

Unlike a domestic DVD player, this means it is not allowed to output interlaced RGB on DVD Video playback.

Because using the VGA output of a normal PC to get a lovely RGB signal is technically impossible, obviously. Sony's logic can't be that dumb, can it?

[Papercut]

see 'interlaced'.

I don't claim to know the details, but DVD player licensing is the reason.

[Londonner]

o.O
Huh? Which consortium ruled something as stupid as "computers shall not output RGB when playing DVDs"? And why?

Basically, the European Union has a problem with Sony dodging tax, um, sorry ... I meant, 'exercising sensible tax minimisation' or whatever Sony's PR would no doubt call it.

The Register article:
"Hang on a mo, we hear you say, PlayStation 2 is a video game player. Not according to Sony, it isn't. The Japanese giant insists that, thanks to its ability to be hooked up to a modem and connect to the Net, it's a computer and should be treated as such for tax purposes.

Sony's motivation here is purely financial. As a computer, the PlayStation 2 will not be liable for a 2.2 per cent tax on every machine it imports into the European Union. That rate is applicable to video games players, however."

I haven't been following this story recently, but you get the gist. ...
EU rejects PS2 is PC claim
Sony claims victory in PS2-is-PC battle

Out-law article:
"It was, said the court, "undeniable that, both by the manner in which the PlayStation 2 is imported, sold and presented to the public and by the way it is configured, it is intended to be used mainly for playing video games, even though, as is apparent from the contested regulation, it may also be used for other purposes, such as playing video DVDs and audio CDs, in addition to automatic data processing?."

And so on ...

[Wild_Cat]

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Somebody kill them.