NTSC n64 question

[nekroxide]

Soooo...

Is there any way of getting a colour display off an NTSC n64 without having an RGB mod? I'm using the stereo A/V cable into a SCART adaptor that came with it and getting a nice b&w display.

I'm assuming the TV isn't the issue since I get a colour display from a JP Saturn and US SNES through RGB cables, but I'm not exactly an expert...

[lettuce]

That lead u have for the 64 wont give u a colour picture, as its not a proper RGB scart lead, need to get a GC scart lead, and then ull get a colour pic!

[gIzzE]

Your TV does not handle ntsc, it obviously hadles 60hz but not ntsc, therefore you need to either mod you n64 for RGB and get an RGB cable or you could get one of the converters that take the S-video out of the N64 and convert it to RGB, this will not give very good results though.

[lettuce]

His TV does support NTSC as he has a JAP SATURN & US SNES!!

[Tychom]

His TV does support NTSC as he has a JAP SATURN & US SNES!!

He's getting RGB from the Saturn & SNES. His TV does not handle NTSC.

[Escape-To-88]

Hmm weird one this, had the same probs. I have 2 n64's both rgb modded by myself, I ran an RGB jap saturn and PSX on my old TV in colour but when i tried an N64 before RGB mod with AV cables and a scart (not RGB) the picture was black & white. Ive since got a new TV but dont know what the answer is..Im presuming your TV cant take an NTSC signal as said, The N64 is an odd beast. Good Luck.

[MartyG]

RGB bypasses any NTSC/PAL/SECAM signal encoding issues because it isn't encoded. The three colours used to display a TV picture are sent as three separate colours signals to display the picture. When using NTSC/PAL/SECAM, these signals are all mixed up together, the TV needs to know how to decode them.

In this case, the TV doesn't.

[lettuce]

I'll think you'll find that his TV does Support an NTSC signal!!. His getting a colour picture from his US SNES & JAP Saturn, which funny enough are NTSC machines!! If his TV didnt support NTSC he would'nt get a colour picture from any of his US or JAP consoles. His TV supports NTSC 4.43 cos of the colour picture from the SNES & Saturn, but his TV doesnt support NTSC 3.58!, which is why his not getting a colour picture with the A/V cable his using with his 64! I had the same problem, when i used the A/V cable supplied with the US 64, but then i got a GC scart cable and it was in colour, its just that the TV could not accept the NTSC 3.58 but could accept the 4.43 signal

[gIzzE]

Couldn't be bothered to read all your post as you lost my attention before the first full stop, sorry

NTSC with a jap and us machine is 60Hz with a 3.58 colour carrier.
Pal in the UK is 50hz with a 4.43 colour carrier.
His TV supports 60Hz that we know, but it does not support US or Jap NTSC. So when he plugs his jap machines in with an RGB cable it will obviously work.

NTSC 4.43 is 60hz with a 3.58 colour carrier so we know it better as Pal 60.

[MartyG]

I'm pretty sure the SNES outputs NTSC 3.58, as does the N64 and GC, which is a pure NTSC signal.

[lettuce]

I'm pretty sure the SNES outputs NTSC 3.58, as does the N64 and GC, which is a pure NTSC signal.

Through the Arieal connection yes, but allows 4.43 via the AV connection. Thats why for TV's that dont supports true NTSC signal (NTSC 3.58 ), if you plug a US SNES through the arieal connection you'll get a B&W picture, but as soon as you use a scart connection the picture shall be colour, its because the TV can only accept a NTSC 4.43 signal via the AV connection (SCART socket)

[MartyG]

He's not using the RF - he's using AV composite via SCART and getting B&W. The set doesn't support the required NTSC signal as far as I can see, the input connection is irrelevant the encoding is the same - either a set accepts NTSC 3.58 or it doesn't.

[lettuce]

Thats what im saying my old TV didnt accept 3.58, yet i got a colour picture with the my non RGB modded N64 when using a SCART lead, but if used the A/V lead that came with the N64 the picture was B&W! My US NES you could only connect it via the arieal or A/V connection as there was no scart input, and i got a B&W picture all the time as i had no choice apart from a booster box, now with my new Panasonic TV its in colour because this TV supports both NTSC signals. So all nekroxide needs to do is get a scart cable for the N64, i believe the SNES one would work?

[MartyG]

The SNES and N64 cables are the same yes.

However, I don't see how what you're saying makes sense. Composite through a SCART carries exactly the same signal as composite direct to the phono connections. Maybe your N64 was RGB modded and you just didn't know it. SCART cables can carry both RGB and composite signals.

[lettuce]

No, i modded the N64 myself so it wasnt. All i know is that if i used any of the crummy A/V leads that where supplied with my SNES or N64, i would only get a B&W picture on my old TV, but if i used a proper scart lead then it would be colour. Guess nekroxide will just have to try it and see if it works for him.