prog scan in UK

[Leon Retro]

I want to get a Plasma by the end of the year to take advange of the next-gen. Are there plans for any to support 1080P in the UK?

What about those new tv's- I saw them in Comet, are they Digital Projection? They aren't as thin as Plasma- but not much bigger. I think I read they are better than Plasmas?

[Lyris]

First, as I understand it, normal NTSC games run in an interlaced resolution - 480i? I've never noticed PAL games being interlaced, so are we different? Other than the 25 extra vertical pixels, that is.

Standard PAL games are also output interlaced.

Second, will the other high res modes be the same over here as in the US? Or will they be different too?

I imagine they'll be the same modes.

And finally, if anyone has seen them, how much difference does in make on your average telly (say 28")? In particular, what diff is there between 480i and 480p?

A lot. Interlacing halves the vertical resolution of anything that moves. Set your computer's screen resolution to 640x480 and compare the clarity of that to the pictures you currently get and that will give you a rough idea.

There's no way they'll leave out HD support on the Euro versions. Not a chance. Microsoft and Samsung are parterning up to promote HDTV and the Xbox 360 everywhere, and the PS3 has TWO HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface) outputs touted as one of its main features.

Are there plans for any to support 1080P in the UK?

1080p isn't being supported for broadcast anywhere due to the bandwidth required. The best HDTVs in any country currently support is 1080i, but you can count on later models working with 1080p.

[mid]

PAL HD will be the same resolutions as the ones the US currently get (720p and 1080i), but we're still getting ****ty 50Hz refresh and not the 60Hz.

Which sucks royally, but wasn't particularly surprising.

By the way, I've yet to see a plasma that can show 1920x1080 anyway, only a few 50" super-expensive LCD jobs or projectors.

[EvilBoris]

everybody laughed when they announced that the ps3 had 2 HDMI outputs and if you were fortunate enough to own to HD moniters you could do duel screen.

[MJ]

I've noticed that quite often HDTV Support is never listed as a feature on PAL games, but it appears on many if not all NTSC counterparts.

[anephric]

That's because PAL Xboxs have had HD output disabled, so it's pointless listing them.

[mojo]

I have a 100hz tv

Isn't that prog scan?

[Psyduck]

Thanks again for the replies, especially lyris, it's been very helpful. I still haven't really heard anyone commenting first hand on how much difference it makes though...and don't a lot of games run at 60hz nowadays? I thought xbox ones did - even PAL. Won't it be the same, if not more so, for the next gen?

[dj898]

I have a 100hz tv

Isn't that prog scan?

no.
Prog-scan TV is the one that can display HDTV signals like 480p/720p/1080i.
100Hz is the way to double up the frame to reduce the flicker of somethin from memory...

check the spec and if it says it displays 480p/1080i then you have Prog-scan TV...

[mid]

obviously, displaying 1080i isn't prog-scan though, just hi-def.

It doesn't seem to make any sense that 100Hz TVs wouldn't do 480p, but a quick test with my Panny confirmed it couldn't by the way.

[anephric]

PS tvs require component input and a deinterlacing (line-doubling) chip. Plus it's a relatively new standard, so just because a tv is 100hz doesn't mean it should necessarily support PS. If it does have a de-interlacer (which everything apart from the most basic, older 100hz sets will) pre-PS 100hz tvs just re-interlace the signal back into 100hz.

There were a few other mooted resolution-enhancement systems around as well, like Philips PixelPlus that they stuck into their 100hz sets, as well as PS.

[mid]

I can't say I was exactly expecting it to work (though my Panasonic isn't very old), but hey, it's worth a try. Technically, you can send PS down a scart cable too (Loewe TVs take it, for instance), so testing was just a case of asking the PS2 to give it a try. Sure enough, nasty green and black weirdness.

[capcom_suicide]

Guys my head is aching! I'm pretty good with IT stuff, but this TV terminology is hard to master!

Help me spend some cash!

The wife and I want a nice BIG wall mounted flatscreen TV.

I want it to have the sharpest visuals as possible, and be able to support DVI for my PC.

I also want whatever is best for this "Progessive" or "Component" or whatever! (Help, I know this was explained, but I'm still lost!)

I also want it to be be able to dispaly the x-box 360 in all her glory, (HDTV??) but still give a great picture on my cube, (Saur RGB mod cable, which is great on my grundig 100Mhz TV)

Budget....

Well I would like three options:

Cheap (800 quid)
Medium (1500 quid)
High End (2000+)

I wonder if any of you experts could help us?

Sorry for being a TV noob, but it will be a shame to buy a Plasma/LCD screen that doesn't cut it.

/C_S

[anephric]

Technically, you can send PS down a scart cable too (Loewe TVs take it, for instance),

I've always wondered about that: since all component is is separated colour signals (a la RGB through Scart) I've never understood why you can't deinterlace from straightforward RGB: I assumed it was a bandwidth-required/signal purity thang...

[mid]

Good, big, flat TV = Panasonic Plasma. If you want to be ready for BluRay and HD-DVD, you'll need a HDCP input, which means the new Viera tellies or waiting for the 8-series screens they contain to be available without the Viera circuitry later this year. Viera PV series for HD resolutions, PE series for SD.

Once you're playing with the fancy screens, you'll want to ditch that Saur-modded GC Scart and get a component cable, so you can do prog-scan.