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    #16
    I hope they are strict about it. The few Xbox games that had no 480p support were a real 'fly in the ointment' for anyone who used their Xbox through a VGA monitor (ie. me), so some mandatory standards would be welcome. But I guess we are going to see some cases of letterboxing.

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      #17
      To make it worse, those few 480i-only games on the XBox can be made into 480p with a simple reg edit... they really were just lazy in those cases.

      Letterboxing would suck, but I'd rather have that and have mandatory widescreen, than the current situation where we're lucky to get widescreen at all... things are moving over to widescreen now, and prices are dropping at a phonominal rate. It's harder to buy a 4:3 TV than 16:9 one these days, so mandatory widescreen is the direction we should be heading in IMO.

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        #18
        Me and a mate just pre-ordered our 360's. Which poses a question. My mate has a Viewsonic 17" TFT that boasts '720p HD ready', which I think means using a VGA cable, he'll be able to hook up his X360 and have it look lovely at 1280x720.

        Question is, I have a Samsung 172x which doesn't specifically boast 720p support, but is a very similar panel to the Viewsonic with the same native res and response time.

        Anyone able to clarify what 720p is/means and if we can both hook up our X360's and look forward to crisp outputs on our TFT's ?

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          #19
          720p is 1280x720 at a frequency of 60Hz. If your display can do that, then you will be able to view 720p. However, 720p is a widescreen format and I'm guessing that when you say 17" monitor you are referring to a 4:3 ratio monitor? This will involve some scaling and will depend on the quality of the monitor how well it handles non-native resolutions.

          At least with the VGA cable you will have more resolution options.

          For a trial run, try setting your monitor to 1280x720p @ 60Hz and download some clips from here.
          http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...tShowcase.aspx

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            #20
            Excellent, thanks for that. Just tried that, and WOAH that looks amazing! Found an option within my ATI drivers to not scale the image to fit the panel, so basically I had 1280x720 @ 60hz with borders top/bottom (ie. proper ratio).

            Leeched one of those movies, and the quality is stunning. So the question is, will the Xbox have an option to not fill the panel or is that something the monitor has to do?

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              #21
              With the VGA cable connected, you will get other resolutions like 1024x768, which is a 4:3 VGA format. Don't know about 1280x1024 though?

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                #22
                Originally posted by dlittley
                Excellent, thanks for that. Just tried that, and WOAH that looks amazing! Found an option within my ATI drivers to not scale the image to fit the panel, so basically I had 1280x720 @ 60hz with borders top/bottom (ie. proper ratio).

                Leeched one of those movies, and the quality is stunning. So the question is, will the Xbox have an option to not fill the panel or is that something the monitor has to do?
                Does anyone know if there are any settings like this for Nvidia cards?

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                  #23
                  right click the desktop and choose properties then the settings tab. Change the resolution to 1280x720. Then click the advanced button and the monitor tab and change the screen refresh rate to 60 Hertz. Then click apply.

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                    #24
                    I managed to sort it, I've got it set up so if I run a game in 1024*768 it does 1:1 pixel mapping and I get a black border around the edge, which helps some of the more graphically intense games run a tad smoother. it was under custom resolutions, then I set it to centre.

                    edit: somehow I thought I was in a PC games thread. muppet
                    Last edited by EvilBoris; 18-10-2005, 01:34.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by fahrenheit
                      At least with the VGA cable you will have more resolution options.
                      Slightly OT, but that's a good point I never thought of. Many HD-Ready screens are actually 1366x768, because they are cheaper to produce than 1280x720 screens. The re-sizing of the 720p input to the native res is basically lossless, but I'm hoping the VGA cable will support 1366x768 output for true 1:1.

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                        #26
                        But it won't really be 1:1 because it'll be scale up from 1280:720

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by EvilBoris
                          But it won't really be 1:1 because it'll be scale up from 1280:720
                          Well yeah, but the more rescaling jobs you take away from your TV, the better, in theory.

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