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    #16
    Originally posted by Shakey_Jake33
    -There is no known way to return to 576p 50Hz.
    It will be there, it has to be.
    -There is no '480p 50Hz' or '567p 60Hz'.
    That is correct, they are PAL and NTSC and are only ever matched to their respective refresh rates.


    So can 720p be disabled? If so, what happens when you disable it? and does it come disabled by default?

    You may need to power cycle the console for the settings to take effect?
    Last edited by fahrenheit; 03-12-2005, 21:54.

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      #17
      Originally posted by fahrenheit
      So can 720p be disabled? If so, what happens when you disable it? and does it come disabled by default?
      Not in the same was as on the original XBox, no. You don't enable/disable the different resolutions separately like on the original XBox.
      You set your 360 into one or the other. You run your 360 in 480p, or 720p, or 1080i. You can 'disable' a resolution like on the original XBox.

      It's more like choosing a resolution on a PC.

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        #18
        Well that is strange. So its like once it has established that you can support 720p @ 60Hz, the 576p @ 50Hz vanishes, never to be seen again. Is there a global reset option that sets all the consoles option back to factory settings? There maybe times where you wish to choose 576p, and to no longer have it available seems like a very strange move by MS.

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          #19
          Here's what I mean mate



          You just choose one or the other or the other.

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            #20
            Thanks for that pic, thats good to see finally.

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              #21
              On a psudo-related note, curious as to if the VGA cable forces 50Hz-only XBox games into 60Hz. My cables not arrived yet (not bothered me one bit though, Component looks lovely).

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                #22
                I guess it would have to, as many displays with VGA connectors can't deal with a 50Hz signal. Which also hints at the possibility of 50Hz only 360 games. If 720p etc is auto selected at 50Hz or 60Hz depending on the software, then there is no stopping a developer from implementing 50Hz only. If the hardware can bump it to 60Hz when nessesary then they have themselves covered also.

                This would be a real shame for PAL. I can think of one big company (starts with an 'E' and ends with an 'A') that might want to take this approach. For some reason they like to keep 50Hz and 60Hz players seperate (for what gain I do not know). What worries me is the technical problems created from standards conversion from 50 to 60Hz. It seems MS has left the door open for this to happen.

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                  #23
                  Which is why I'd never buy a PAL video games console again - no matter what the promises of a single standard were.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Shakey_Jake33
                    There's no actual way to choose between 50Hz and 60Hz the dashboard.
                    Yes there is. Before I got my VGA cable, I connected via composite and there was clearly an option between 50 and 60hz. It even gave me a countdown to confirm my TV could display 60hz.

                    If you connect a VGA cable, the option disappears (as you'd expect).

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                      #25
                      I'm really confused reading all this (as I usually am with tech speak) but I imagine the machine defaults at a resolution they know everyone will be able to see for sure?! Perhaps due to some people having older TVs they make the machine start in 50hz just incase?


                      I've only briefly tried mine via RGB scart (the official one) and when the machine first booted the TV setting were 4:3 and PAL 50 - I changed those to Wide and PAL 60. The dashboard made no change, just like the original machine - that is it seems the dash runs in 50hz regardless of PAL setting. Also I do not recall getting a test message like Brats did!

                      What I also find curious is the fact that this time there are options for not only PAL 60 but PAL 50 too. This would suggest to me that once it's in 60hz everything will be in 60hz regardless - I mean with the original machine everything was in 50hz and went to 60hz if you have PAL 60 on. 50hz being the safe zone so to speak - I presume with the era of HD MS would think that everyone can handle a 60hz signal.

                      Also lets not forget I would think the 50hz option is there just for us PAL people so that we can watch all our PAL DVDs without any frameskipping/lip synch problems etc!

                      The majority of people seem to say it's all 60hz so I suspect the few that don't must be doing something wrong, or have sets that don't support 60hz etc!

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                        #26
                        i tried the component cable for the first time yesterday. it was on 'tv' and i got a 480i signal. so i switched to HDTV, it rebooted the system, and i got 576p!

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Friction
                          I imagine the machine defaults at a resolution they know everyone will be able to see for sure?! Perhaps due to some people having older TVs they make the machine start in 50hz just incase?
                          That makes sense to me. Lowest common denominator.

                          Originally posted by Mr Fujisawa
                          i tried the component cable for the first time yesterday. it was on 'tv' and i got a 480i signal. so i switched to HDTV, it rebooted the system, and i got 576p!
                          Interesting. So perhaps someone using 480p option could switch the component cable over to 'TV' then back to 'HDTV' again and see if 576p comes back?

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                            #28
                            I can confirm that switching it to "TV", booting the 360, powering off and putting it back to Hidef will put the machine into 576p again.

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                              #29
                              OK cool, well they seem to have everyone catered for in that case (strange that 576p is mislabelled).

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Brats
                                Yes there is. Before I got my VGA cable, I connected via composite and there was clearly an option between 50 and 60hz. It even gave me a countdown to confirm my TV could display 60hz.

                                If you connect a VGA cable, the option disappears (as you'd expect).
                                Let me clarify, there's no way to select between 50 and 60Hz on the dashboard using the Component cable.

                                Originally posted by Valken
                                I can confirm that switching it to "TV", booting the 360, powering off and putting it back to Hidef will put the machine into 576p again.
                                Great to know, just in case.

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