detailed PAL Super Nintendo RGB Question

[miko]

hi all!

a question for the experts, is the info on this page
http://members.optusnet.com.au/evilt.../gamescart.htm
correct in relation to PAL Super Nintendo RGB ?

having just bought a new TV and a new (to me, it's second hand) Super Nintendo, i'd like to get them hooked together in the best way possible, i intend to buy a Gamecube RGB lead from Game then mod it myself, but i'd like to pin down the correct changes to make.

additional info i've already looked at -
http://www.mmmonkey.co.uk/console/ni...l-snes-rgb.htm
http://www.gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?...intendomultiav

i've done some searching on the forum and come up with some conflicting opinions on the possible inclusion of resistors on R,G & B and their possible values.

for example the first site i linkled to shows 47ohm resistors in this roll which is about halfway between those i've seen suggested in topics in the forums here (33ohm in one case, 75ohm in others)

personally i'd like to avoid any incorrect solutions or guesses as a bad scart lead broke my last TV (apparently ) and i'm on a low income and can't easly take those kind of things in my stride, i guess i was wondering (in addition to my inital question above) if anyone has had a look at an original official one (if they existed).

much appreciation to any responde
(please be gentle, this is my first time )
miko.

[danholo]

Why don't you just try if the RGB lead works first before taking it apart? I have a SNES RGB lead from Lik-Sang which I have connected to my US SNES and I have encountered no problems.

[vertigo]

Yes, it is correct.

And a bad SCART lead could only 'break' your TV if it was incorrectly wired and a voltage was going from the source to the TV down an incorrect pin. Different values of resistors on the colour lines will just result in a brighter or darker picture.

Why don't you just buy a SCART lead from Lik Sang if you're so concerned about getting it wrong? Plugging a US one (not officially supported of course, and incidentally the same cable as a PAL GC SCART) in won't blow your TV up, it'll just have a dark picture so make sure you choose the right one as there are two configurations for SNES.

[miko]

edited - cause vertigo posted while i was typing my reply to danholo.

@ danholo, well i will, but i expect the picture to darken as this the reported experience throughout the forum in relation to PAL Gamecube RGB leads used on PAL SNES's.

you say yours is a SNES specific lead so it will probably work fine in its intended roll.

if it's a Gamecube lead and your console is US SNES, you'll notice (if you look at the diagrams in the first link) that the leads are almost identical, so again it will probably work fine for you.

but PAL leads are not wired the same (first link again and the subsequent link to www.mmmonkey.co.uk ) PAL Gamecube leads (and apparently US SNES leads) contain capacitors not found in PAL SNES leads.

i'm just doing a little research before i set about buying/doing something really

i will try it, but i expect it not to work correctly, and i'd like the best opinions i can find (which i reckon could be around here) as what i should do at that point and what extra electrical components i should have to hand when i reach that point.

PS. i can't buy one from places like Lik-Sang as i have no access to the the kind of payment methods needed to buy stuff over the interwub.

however the lead from my local Game store is apparently only ?3.00, and i'm a dab hand with a soldering iron

@vertigo
thank for the reply, as i kinda hinted at i was a bit suspect as to what broke my last TV anyway and i've mentioned why i can't just order stuff over the web to danholo, i live in the country, i have a very low income and no real banking facilities to speak of, i'll have to travel quite a distance just to get the parts i'm talking about (including the lead) hence the trying to find out about things in advance bit.

thanks again
a small pack of 47ohm resistors it is

miko.

[vertigo]

Miko: Lik Sang does RGB SCART cables for various machines for about ?3 each and accepts paypal. I got ones for SFC, Saturn and PS from there and they've all been excellent.

Also, check this thread for more info regarding which is the correct cable to get dependent on your machine.

[Hammie]

i'm using a play-asia scart lead with my pal snes (probably the same exact lead as the lik-sang one)

i removed the capacitors as the image just fades to black otherwise. however.....the image is too bright, it's not so bright that it's a horrible mess but it has some bleeding and needs darkening a little, this would be where the resistors come in.

adding a 43 ohm resistor to the r, g and b wires should do the job nicely, if you find the image still is'nt right just swap the resistors for different value ones

will be doing the same when i can be arsed

[danholo]

I just must say that I'm starting to hate RGB here. It gives us the best picture quality but we get f*cked so many times with it I'm just getting frustrated. First having to get a frickin' $45 dollar modded lead for my GC and now a US DC that doesn't support RGB without mod... Thank goodness I don't have a N64 yet.. Geez... And now this I'm hearing about the PAL SNES. This is off topic but, I mean, come on! Life is just so unfair... or we're just freaks.

[moonwhistle]

If you don't want to encounter awkward or expensive RGB issues just stay with PAL hardware I'd say. The PAL DC, MD, Gamecube, SNES, PS1/2 etc etc all use standard RGB cables which work straight out of the box and will run in 60hz too, although in some cases you will need to be using NTSC software.