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    Optimum Twilight Princess Setup?

    Hi, I've been lurking silently on these forums for a while, reading bits here and there and generally trying to absorb as much knowledge as I can.

    What with the next Zelda game likely to be the Gamecube's swan song, I thought it was about time I paid attention to my video setup and give the console a good send-off by squeezing the best possible picture out. A search on these forums brings up a lot of hits for the Gamecube and the various ways you can extract a video signal out of it, a fair amount of which I have read. However, as a relative A/V novice, I'm still finding it hard to determine what the optimum setup is (within reason - no plasma or projection for me).

    As expected from someone with little experience in this area, all I have is a PAL cube, PAL games (but I do have a couple of US ones and a copy of Freeloader), and SCART leads. The TV I typically use is a standard CRT affair, which I has treated me well so far. Recently we purchased a 30" Samsung LCD (the one people seem to be nuts about on avfourms.com). Normal TV on the LCD is great, but the picture coming out of the Gamecube over SCART was awful.

    In an attempt to find out how I could improve the picture quality, I have been trying to learn about all the different cables, video formats, etc. Collating all this info from the net has been a little difficult for me, but I'm just about getting to grips with it. A lot of what I've read seems to point towards an NTSC console+game and component leads for the best possible picture, so I have been looking at said cables and an imported Gamecube.

    Then I thought "is buying a console for the sake of one game taking fanboyism a step too far?" Further research seemed to indicate that I'd be able to achieve the same quality with my PAL cube running an NTSC game through Freeloader/modchipping, a component signal, and a TV set that supported progressive scan. I've checked my cube for the necessary digital out port, which it has, so I've been eyeing up component cables.

    My real confusion is over the difference between a progressive scan image (480p?), and PAL 60. I'm not sure if I'm making a valid comparison here, but does an NTSC progressive scan at a lower resolution of 480 lines really look better than PAL's 576 lines at 60Hz? As it's fairly likely the UK release of Twilight Princess will support PAL60, do I even need to import? Mind you, if Nintendo plan on releasing it much earlier in the US, then of course I'm importing.

    Of course, it's always possible that perhaps the Samsung isn't great at displaying anything that comes out of a Gamecube, so perhaps I should be looking back at my CRT? Finally, assuming I keep all my PAL gear, and buy a PAL copy of the game, would a component cable be a worthwhile investment? From what I've read on these forums, some seem to think so, but others disagree.

    Thanks for reading, but in case it was all TL;DR ? How do I make Zelda look good?
    Last edited by revlob; 03-02-2006, 15:56.

    #2
    I think you are using the word "composite" a few times here when you mean "component"
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      #3
      Erk, you're right. I've edited my original post and changed it.

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        #4
        You seems to have a few misconceptions here.

        First off, PAL 60Hz is 480 lines not 576. PAL 60Hz is really just NTSC but using PAL colour carrier (or compatibility is higher), it's the same resolution as NTSC.
        There is PAL 576p 50Hz, but I honestly don't think it's been used in games.

        Secondly, you don't really need an imported machine as such, a Freeloader will suffice. A PAL GameCube will support 480p fine, it's the software itself that matters. Pretty much all PAL games have 480p removed... stick to NTSC software.

        The difference between 480p and non-Progressive is minor at best, as the resolution is the same... it's just that each frame is sent to the TV and displayed in 1 pass per frame, as opposed to 2 half passes, resulting in a clearer, smoother image. It also saves your LCD from having to deinterlace.
        That said, it does look better so you may as well go for it.


        You mention modchips - I use the Qoob modchip as you can force 480p
        on most games.

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          #5
          It's probably worth mentioning that whilst the majority of US / ntsc games included a progressive scan option not all do. If you're thinking about importing some games then it's always worth checking here beforehand:

          http://www.hdtvarcade.com/gamecubelist.htm


          It's pretty much a dead cert that Twilight Princess will support prog scan too so the US release will be well worth picking up.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Shakey_Jake33
            Secondly, you don't really need an imported machine as such, a Freeloader will suffice.
            You don't know this yet. Twilight Princess might not be compatible. Always possible they could put in some anti-FL code.

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              #7
              Originally posted by vertigo
              You don't know this yet. Twilight Princess might not be compatible. Always possible they could put in some anti-FL code.
              This is true of course. There may also be some anti-modchip code.

              My point was that you didn't need an import machine for Progressive Scan, which is what many assume.

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