No 60Hz on UK PS3?

[Bru]

'But it's Sony, they raped my mother and killed my father as well as bummed my pet goat' etc

And shut down one of our more mainstream importers/suppliers...... Shafted us with PS2 green screen PAL RGB DVD output.... continue to pump out some LOUSY PR and promotional garbage... etc... etc...

You do know, that just sometimes our suspicions might well be justified?

[Geezer]

I don't think there is any question that the HD resolutions will be at 60Hz, but the standard def resolutions are what is in question here.

Your guess is only as good as anyone elses as to how Sony will be configuring PAL hardware.
For every one bad word said against Sony, there is always someone with the "Sony molested my dog" type response. Its getting old.

So if people are widely accepting that it will be 60Hz at HD resolutions, why would anyone believe that they would actively block out 60Hz at SD. It doesn't make any sense.

No, it's not everything bad said about Sony, they deserve the majority of it. However it's in discussions like these, where when Sony or the Playstation brand is mentioned people forget reason. That's what's gotten old.

And shut down one of our more mainstream importers/suppliers...... Shafted us with PS2 green screen PAL RGB DVD output.... continue to pump out some LOUSY PR and promotional garbage... etc... etc...

You do know, that just sometimes our suspicions might well be justified?

What do Lik-Sang and PR have to do with 50/60Hz support?

[Bru]

What do Lik-Sang and PR have to do with 50/60Hz support?

As much as them killing my Father and bumming my pet goat (who STILL hasn't recovered you know)

Seriously though....

I was just pointing out that they do seem to make some crazy decisions from time to time. I really didn't see the green screen RGB debacle coming in the previous generation... especially with DVD playback being such a touted feature of the PS2. The PS3's problem with HD on 1080i native sets is equally as shocking.

Though I really do doubt they'll leave us without a 50/60hz option... Sony just seems to drop us (and themselves) in it occasionally.

I can only hope that they don't have any more surprises lined up.

[lostn]

Don't mean to jump to conclusions and start a panic here, but those of you with PS3's, go to the Online Instruction Manual on the XMB, and look under Settings->Video Output.
Here they describe what video modes are supported for each region.

Note in section 4, under 'Supported video modes (PAL region), they specifically state 576p, without 480p being there. As in, the 480p mode won't be a selectable on the PAL XMB at all.

In the little * notes under the table, they also state that 576i will be a selectable on the PAL machine (labelled as [Standard (PAL)]) instead of 480i (labelled as [Standard (NTSC)].

This can mean anything of course, but it DOES mean that 480i/p will not be a selectable on the XMB.

I doubt it won't support NTSC. For backward compatibility, some of the PS2's games had 60hz mode (which was NTSC). Some even did 480p. To not support NTSC would mean that not every PS2 game will function fully.

And didn't Sony recently finally get busted for tax evasion in the UK? They ended up having to pay like $80m, which was the reason for the green screen RGB in the first place. Luckily, most mod chips have a fix for green screen.

[On The Edge of Insanity]

The green screen continues on the PS3 though when you're trying to play DVDs through SCART. Luckily my LCD is arriving soon, but if not that is a pretty major flaw still.

[avkooi]

You are also experiencing a green screen if you play a Blu-Ray through Scart :-(

[Bru]

The green screen continues on the PS3 though when you're trying to play DVDs through SCART. Luckily my LCD is arriving soon, but if not that is a pretty major flaw still.

You are also experiencing a green screen if you play a Blu-Ray through Scart :-(

Dear G@D!

If they don't fix this for the UK and European market then it's absolutely shocking. I wouldn't fancy having to chip an online capable machine just to bypass it... and the thought of having to load up some software, before you can watch either a standard or BluRay DVD via RGB Scart (in colour!) is just plain irritating.

-Shakes his head in disgust-

I guess we have until March to find out.

[sj33]

Not much point in watching a Blu-Ray throug Scart anyway surely?

[charlesr]

By the same rationale, not much point in playing 1080p PS3 games on a 720p screen and yet 99.9% of people who are playing PS3 games on an LCD will be using 720p.

The point is, it's crippled. You should be able to watch Bluray discs on your CRT over RGB Scart if that's the best you've got available.

[dataDave]

I'm curious to see a HD movie over RGB tbh.

[Yoshimax]

The logic for this 1st time (according to them) was to prohibit piracy or something was it not ? i.e using a SCART to connect to another source ? I'm sure that can't be the logic this time so why have they repeated this ???

[Crisp_Rapper]

I'm curious to see a HD movie over RGB tbh.

same as something like bbc hd on a sky hd box through rgb i'd imagine... the simple fact the cameras are better means the picture is a fair amount nicer. i'd go so far as to say 'lovely'.

[dataDave]

I've yet to see HD-TV thanks to my local electrical shops knowing jack-diddley-****ing-squat on how to wire an LCD up.

[Shadow_Zero]

The green screen continues on the PS3 though when you're trying to play DVDs through SCART. Luckily my LCD is arriving soon, but if not that is a pretty major flaw still.

The logic for this 1st time (according to them) was to prohibit piracy or something was it not ? i.e using a SCART to connect to another source ? I'm sure that can't be the logic this time so why have they repeated this ???

I read http://ntsc-uk.domino.org/showthread.php?t=29600 which has quite some interesting info on this, but I still don't know the reason for the green screen bug. This seems to be THE reason:

You are all wrong.


The green screen is not a glitch, but the PS2 forcing component instead of RGB video out on DVD playback. The reason -

When it comes to DVD players, the PS2 gets classed as a computer.

Unlike a domestic DVD player, this means it is not allowed to output interlaced RGB on DVD Video playback.

The very first Japanese PS2, that loaded the DVD player software onto a memory card from disk, had region free codes _and_ RGB playback. Later models were crippled to comply with the licensing.

...

I don't claim to know the details, but DVD player licensing is the reason.

Basically, the European Union has a problem with Sony dodging tax, um, sorry ... I meant, 'exercising sensible tax minimisation' or whatever Sony's PR would no doubt call it.

The Register article:
"Hang on a mo, we hear you say, PlayStation 2 is a video game player. Not according to Sony, it isn't. The Japanese giant insists that, thanks to its ability to be hooked up to a modem and connect to the Net, it's a computer and should be treated as such for tax purposes.

Sony's motivation here is purely financial. As a computer, the PlayStation 2 will not be liable for a 2.2 per cent tax on every machine it imports into the European Union. That rate is applicable to video games players, however."

I haven't been following this story recently, but you get the gist. ...
EU rejects PS2 is PC claim
Sony claims victory in PS2-is-PC battle

Out-law article:
"It was, said the court, "undeniable that, both by the manner in which the PlayStation 2 is imported, sold and presented to the public and by the way it is configured, it is intended to be used mainly for playing video games, even though, as is apparent from the contested regulation, it may also be used for other purposes, such as playing video DVDs and audio CDs, in addition to automatic data processing?."

And so on ...

I still don't see the logic in that it can't output interlaced RGB on DVD Video playback if it's classed as a computer...??? (and it seems to have not been classed as a computer after all...?)