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    Best bang-per-buck for low-end gaming PC?

    Hi there,

    One of my customers (I'm a PC fixer-upper by trade) is looking for a new PC. He wants to play CoD5 and has been sticking his head in all the PC magazines (I didn't know you could still buy those!) getting himself confused.

    He bought his last PC 4 years ago & paid about 2 grand (!!) for a top-of-the-range Evesham. He recognises that shopping with Evesham, at least, was a mistake.

    My advice is generally to not to spend too much - ?300 or ?400 from Dell - and then you won't worry too much if you have to chuck it away in 3 years or so. Money spent tomorrow will buy a lot more performance than it will today, so you're better off having the money in the bank. At the end of the day, however much you spend now, it's still be a crappy 3-year-old PC in 3 years time. But I don't have any experience with "gaming" systems as most of my customers only want to play Solitare, or maybe The Sims for their kids.

    I'd suggest the cheapest decent QuadCore he can find + an extra ?100 on a graphics card as a build-to-order option. Is this a fair & reasonable assessment?

    He's looked at Mesh computers - another customer of mine swears by them & I find them to have a pretty nice "feel" to them, so I suggested the Elite M6600 LE + either:
    • 512MB ATI Radeon 3650 (Direct X10.1, PCI Express 2.0)[upg ? 70.00]
    • 512MB nVIDIA GeForce 9600GT - Dual DVI, HDTV, TV Out[upg ? 100.00]
    • 512MB ATI Radeon 3870 (Direct X10.1, PCI Express 2.0)[upg ? 120.00]

    If you untick the SurgeMaster extension lead, BullGuard internet security suite & 2nd monitor on the first page the price comes to ?430 (inc. VAT) plus the main monitor + whatever graphics card he decides on. That seems a little pricey to me, considering deals I've seen from Dell in recent months, but he seems to have a bit of an aversion to Dell, having made the mistake of phoning their Indian call centre.

    I guess Call Of Duty 5 on his shelf does indicate that he wants to play fairly recent games, but I don't think he'd notice (or, at least appreciate) the difference between a ?500 graphics card & a more basic one. It doesn't matter what he buys now, it'll still be an upgrade for him - I think his current machine has a GeForce in it?? - and he'll enjoy playing on the new system. He's definitely a casual gamer and I doubt that he spends more than 6 or 8 hours a week playing.

    I hate it when a customer raises the question of graphics cards, because the market changes so rapidly and I spend hours reading forums & reviews trying to work out what's best. My local wholesaler only ever seems to have the GT model of the card & not the other one that's mentioned in my researches. I just play games on a console myself, so I'd appreciate any help.

    If the ATI Radeon HD 3650 series is good enough then I reckon I could find a decent deal on a Dell Vostro with the option for a 24" 1920x1200 which would probably appeal to him.

    Cheers,

    Stroller.

    #2
    Ho Stroller.

    ATI have a very good card, the 4850 which offers amazing performance per ?.

    Have a look at this for ?598



    - AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 6000 3.10GHz (Socket AM2)
    - Asus M3A78 AMD 780G (Socket AM2+) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
    - OCZ 4GB (2x2GB) PC2-6400C5 Dual Channel Vista Gold Series DDR2
    - ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB GDDR3 TV-Out/Dual DVI/HDMI (PCI-Express)
    - Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 500GB SATA-II 32MB Cache
    - Pioneer DVR-216DBK 20x DVD?RW SATA Dual Layer ReWriter (Black)
    - Corsair VX 450W ATX PSU
    - Arctic Silver 5 Heatsink compound professionally hand installed by our technicians
    - 1yr Onsite Collect & Return Warranty (Can collect from any address (UK Mainland ONLY) and same day collection possible if requested before 11am)

    That's what I'd buy.

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      #3
      Jesus, those Mesh 'upgrades' are a complete and utter rip off.

      The 3650 and 9600gts are rubbish cards the 9600GT is a die shrink 8600 which was a frankly awful card and was responsible for a generation of underpowered PCs. The 3870 is better but it's a generation behind.

      I'm pretty sure none of those cards would set you back more than £70 to buy.

      Unfortunately, that Mesh system also has a poor PSU. 300W is pathetic and if you put a half decent card in it, you can expect it to crash and/or reboot the second you do any complex 3D.

      My advice for a cheap gaming PC? You're simply not going to get one as a prebuilt. Without fail unless you're spending £800+ they're going to skimp on the graphics card. They'll either use an integrated card (don't even think about running anything made in the last 3 years on one of those) or a £20 piece of crap. They don't even upgrade well because the PSUs they use are the bare minimum needed to run the system.

      You can build a decent budget gaming PC for around £400-£450 that will run rings around most prebuilts that are under £800.

      The best bang per buck cards are 8800s (also called 9800s because of NVidia trying to make people think the cards are newer) or Radeon 4850/4870s.

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        #4
        Originally posted by capcom_suicide View Post
        Ho Stroller.

        ATI have a very good card, the 4850 which offers amazing performance per ?.

        Have a look at this for ?598



        - AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 6000 3.10GHz (Socket AM2)
        - Asus M3A78 AMD 780G (Socket AM2+) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
        - OCZ 4GB (2x2GB) PC2-6400C5 Dual Channel Vista Gold Series DDR2
        - ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB GDDR3 TV-Out/Dual DVI/HDMI (PCI-Express)
        - Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 500GB SATA-II 32MB Cache
        - Pioneer DVR-216DBK 20x DVD?RW SATA Dual Layer ReWriter (Black)
        - Corsair VX 450W ATX PSU
        - Arctic Silver 5 Heatsink compound professionally hand installed by our technicians
        - 1yr Onsite Collect & Return Warranty (Can collect from any address (UK Mainland ONLY) and same day collection possible if requested before 11am)

        That's what I'd buy.
        Would you not be better with the intel cpus? I'm looking to build a new pc after xmas, gonna see whats in the sales.

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          #5
          Originally posted by vanpeebles View Post
          Would you not be better with the intel cpus? I'm looking to build a new pc after xmas, gonna see whats in the sales.
          At this level it doesn't really matter mate.

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            #6
            I've used AMD's in the past but my current understanding was that they get no where near to the Intels at the moment.

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              #7
              Originally posted by vanpeebles View Post
              I've used AMD's in the past but my current understanding was that they get no where near to the Intels at the moment.
              Even at the mid range?

              I thought this was only the case for the expensive CPU's.

              Personally I'm an Intel man.

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                #8
                Right through the range I thought.

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                  #9
                  Bah! That's really not what I wanted to hear. I really hoped there'd be something available off the shelf that would do the job.

                  I've got HD-4850s coming in at my local wholesaler for between £113 + VAT (PowerColor HD-4850 PCS+ Edition 512MB PCIe GDDR3 Dual DVI HDTV-Out) & £130 (various Asus) which I'd be quite happy with, but it means putting the whole darn PC together for him, which I prefer to avoid. He's also planning to put it through his books to claim the VAT and I'm not VAT registered, so that adds complications.

                  I'm sure I've read that the Core 2 architecture is the pig's nuts at moment, and if you compare the CPU prices of the dual-cores & the quads, you might as well buy the latter.

                  Stroller.

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                    #10
                    GeForce 8800s are dead cheap now, I got a 512MB GT version that was overclocked out of the box for about £80 when I built myself a new PC a couple of months back. The whole PC cost about £430 including shipping and looks like this:

                    Asus P5K motherboard
                    Intel Q6600 quad core (I think the clock speed for each core is about 2.4 Mhz)
                    GeForce 8800GT, 512mb and overclocked
                    2Gb Kingston memory, dual channeled but I can't recall the speed off the top of my head. Think it was 720 or similar.
                    Coolermaster 500W PSU
                    16x Sony DVD-R
                    80Gb HDD
                    Windows Vista 64-bit, OEM version

                    I can't remember the brand of the case but it was a fairly cheap and cheerful one from ebuyer.co.uk. It has two fans built into it (a 12cm one at the rear and a huge-ass one at the front) and after testing with and without I know they are making a difference. The P5K has copper heatpipes on it so the MB temperature was benefitting particularly from the extra fans.

                    So far I've been more than happy with this spec. The few hardware intense games I've played have all run really well - I was playing Stalker with everything maxed out and still getting an average close to 60fps, and I'm currently playing Fallout 3 with the high detail settings, plus a few settings I manually increased (LOD fade, lighting etc) and that's performing the same.

                    Regarding the CPUs these days, what I will say is this: a faster dual core is probably better than a slightly slower quad core like I have. Very few games take advantage of multiple cores and those that do rarely use more than two. This isn't just some hand-me-down advice I heard off the internet either as I've tested a number of fairly recent games using system monitor logs and very few use more than two cores. Slightly older or just badly optimised games in particular (Stalker: Clear Sky being one of them) tend to max out the first core whilst barely anything gets registered on the other three.

                    Something else you probably need to make the customer aware of is that the PC version of CoD5 is apparently shockingly poor. It struggles to run well even on a system that outstrips its recommended specs due to poor optimisation.

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                      #11
                      Thats my rule, the peach always falls.
                      Last edited by ucci; 07-01-2009, 14:03.

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                        #12
                        Wow, those Dell systems are actually pretty decent for the price. I'd avoid any in the second link unless you plan on having a system that can't play any games more advanced than WoW.

                        That MN110 would make for a great HTPC

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                          #13
                          Yup, I was all geared up to offer to build one for him - I'm seeing the guy tomorrow - but if the GeForce 8800 is OK then Dell is back in the running. If we go with Dell then I may use MCS, but I'll maybe also check Dell's site, too - I didn't see 8800s there when I looked originally, but obviously I didn't know which model to look at. I wish Dell didn't make things deliberately complicated (which they clearly do).

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                            #14
                            that xMD155 is a complete beast for the price, dual GPU card. Would eat power like crazy when gaming mind.

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                              #15
                              That place is damn good value.

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