Playing NTSC GameCube games on PAL GameCube or PAL Wii through RGB CABLE

[TomasHA-SK]

Can NTSC GameCube games be played on PAL GameCube through RGB CABLE so they will be in color and 100% OK?

Because I read somewhere that there are problems playing NTSC games on PAL Wii through RGB CABLE, so there is RED picture or what.

So is there a problem with that RED picture on GameCube too???

And that RED picture on Wii is when playing only NTSC Wii games through RGB cable or it is the same with NTSC GameCube games on Wii too???

Is it true with that RED picture on PAL Wii when playing NTSC games through RGB cable???

THANKS

[Link83]

NTSC and PAL GameCubes are different hardware wise and use totally different video chips. From the 'Analog AV port' PAL GameCubes only support Composite and RGB, and NTSC GameCubes only support Composite and S-Video. This means if you can get NTSC games to play on a PAL GameCube (Using Freeloader etc) then they will display in RGB.

There is an alternative though - most early GameCube consoles have a 'Digital AV port', and using a modified Component cable you can get RGB out of any GameCube, even NTSC ones. I think theres a modified RGB cable for sale right now in the buy, sell and exchange forum if your interested.

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NTSC and PAL Wii's are not different at all hardware wise, the only difference is the software, which tells the console which video modes to support.

This causes a problems, as NTSC Wii games will tell a Wii console to output Composite, S-Video and Component, and PAL games will tell it to output Composite, RGB and Component.

I would think that if you can manage to play NTSC GameCube games on a PAL Wii (Using Homebrew Programs etc) they would display fine in RGB because GameCube games do not contain any code to switch the Wii's video mode, so it should default to the Wii Menus default video settings - however I havent tested this so I could be wrong, so i'd wait for somebody else to chime in.

Some people do get a red picture playing NTSC Wii games on a PAL Wii when using an RGB Scart cable, but it likely depends on the game and how its been coded/programmed to support the video modes. Some games might take their cue from whatever the Wii Menu is set at, whilst others might force the video modes.

Hope that helps

[TomasHA-SK]

Thanks for answer!

I will buy Wii in future, but I was always deciding if NTSC and PAL.

So NTSC Wii games are forcing Wii to output composite or S-Video so it cannot be changed at all?

So it is impossible to play NTSC Wii games on PAL Wii through RGB, right? It will be in RED?

So it seems I will buy a PAL Wii, because as I know now, there is lot of PAL games which have 60hz option, almost ALL. It isnt like with PS2, where there was only few 60hz PAL games.
And I dont want have problems with Wii, that it can be bricked or what with update.

And I will buy PAL GameCube it seems, have it chipped and buy all NTSC GameCube games, because not ALL PAL GameCube games have 60hz option. A lot have it, much more that PAL PS2 games, but it isnt almost ALL. And then on that GameCube I can run NES emulator, which I want so much, because on PS, PS2, there is one which have ****ty compatibility with games and doesnt support .fds at all. Yes that NES emulator can run on Wii, but I dont want to have modded Wii due to problems with it.

[Link83]

If you will be buying NTSC GameCube games then you are probably best buying an NTSC GameCube console and a modified RGB cable, as even a chipped PAL GameCube cannot play all NTSC GameCube games.

You can often find 'switched' NTSC GameCube consoles for quite cheap in the buy and sell forum, and these can play both Japanese and USA GameCube games with no problems using a switch to swap between the two regions (Just make sure to use separate memory cards for each region)

A modified GameCube RGB cable (made from a Component cable) will give you RGB Scart support which you obviously want

It may be possible to play NTSC Wii games in RGB Scart using some homebrew launch programs which can override the Wii's video modes. However this is still been worked on so is not a 100% solution yet.

[TomasHA-SK]

THANKS!

I didnt know chipped PAL GameCube will not play all games.

And which exact games it will not play?

I am only interested in NTSC-U GameCube games. I didnt found any good JAP GameCube game as I went through complete list of GameCube games. Or is there some JAP gem???

And is there difference in quality between signal from PAL GameCube through official RGB cable and signal from NTSC GameCube throught modified cable?

PS: Can UK power supply be used on NTSC machine, so stepdown doesnt need to be used?

[Link83]

It depends on the GameCube chip as to the compatibilty, so I cant say which games im afraid However buying an NTSC GameCube and a modified RGB cable will likely cost even less then buying a PAL GameCube with a modchip and a standard RGB cable.

If you only want to play NTSC-U/USA games then you could just buy a USA GameCube console. However a switched console would probably cost the same and would give you the possibility of playing Japanese games in the future if you ever wanted to - and there are some Japanese GameCube game gems

There were some people who said they could tell the difference between a standard PAL RGB Scart cable and a modified RGB cable, but they actually said the modified RGB Scart cable gave a slightly clearer picture than the PAL RGB Scart cable!

...and yes you can use an official UK GameCube power supply on a Japanese or USA GameCube console, so you dont need a stepdown

[TomasHA-SK]

Thanks you sooo much. Really

[Link83]

Thanks you sooo much. Really

No problem, glad I could help

P.S. Remember to get an NTSC GameCube with a Digital AV port - the port was removed on later models

<EDIT> Oh and modified RGB Scart cable for sale in this thread:-

http://ntsc-uk.domino.org/showthread.php?t=96568

[Link83]

Just to update, I just tested a few NTSC-U/USA GameCube games on my PAL Wii console which is connected to my TV with the official Wii RGB Scart cable and they all worked absolutely fine

Of course I had to boot the games with the 'Gecko OS' launcher (Freeloader has been blocked on Wii consoles with firmware 3.3 onwards) because the games are NTSC and wouldnt normally play on a PAL Wii, but apart from that there were no problems

[TomasHA-SK]

Thats awesome.
Thanks