Sony Trinitron KV-X2162U Picture help - think it's something to do with geometry?

[danstan21]

Went and picked up my KV-X2162U Trinitron yesterday after winning it a weeks ago on eBay for 99p even came with the manual and original remote.

After adjusting the picture settings I've got my Gamecube looking pretty damn decent on it via RGB. But, the problem is that the picture is shifted left on everything I connect to it, so there's about half an inch of game that I'm missing right now lol. I read that adjusting geometry would be how to solve the issue but a quick google search didn't tell me how to (and the manual doesn't seem to have anything on it either). Can anyone here help?

[punio75]

This worked for me - well got me to the service menu. (taken from this very forum!)

'switching the TV to standby with the remote, pressing the [i+] button (last on the number pad), pressing the 5 button, the + button for volume, and then the teletext button. Then it will show the "TT", and once that happens pressing the menu button should bring up the menu.'

My set up still is not right- so let me know your geometry numbers!!

[danstan21]

I don't see an [i+] button anywhere on my remote

[dvdx2]

you can shift geometry left/right pitch with out accessing the service menu. I think its under advanced options

[Oldgamingfart]

Hopefully that is the case as the Service Mode on this model is a bit complicated. The procedure to access the menu is also different.

[danstan21]

I may just be being stupid, but I can't even find an "advanced options" menu (and once again the manual doesn't help). There's certainly no left/right adjustment under the picture control menu or anything. Bah

[smouty]

I don't see an [i+] button anywhere on my remote

That remote doesn't slide up to reveal more buttons?
It should be reversible.

[danstan21]

It does reverse, but the back just has fewer buttons. No [i+] on either side.

[Oldgamingfart]

It's a slightly older design, hence the absence of the [i+] button. The service mode is accessed from the front panel of the TV on this model. Of course once adjusted any Composite feed might be a little off-centre, but if you're only ever going to use if for games then shouldn't be a problem.

Before entering service mode, have one of your consoles hooked up and switched on. Just make sure it's a 50Hz RGB signal and not a 60Hz one. Most Japanese consoles will output a 60Hz RGB signal, so maybe something like a PAL SNES or Mega Drive will suffice.

Procedure for Service Mode:

• First make sure the TV is turned off at the main power switch located on the front of the set.
• Hold down any two buttons on the front panel (e.g + and - buttons), and at the same time switch the TV on at the main power switch.
• The TV will power up and 'TT' will be displayed on screen. Let go of the two buttons.
• On the remote, press 'Menu'.
• A list will come up with all available options. Ignore them all and use the + and - remote keys (the ones next to the Menu and OK buttons) to scroll down to 'DEMO'. Press OK.
• Use the + and - keys to scroll down to the 'CXD-2018' option. Press OK.
• Make a note of all the numbers here beforehand, then scroll down to the 'H-SHIFT' (option #20) and adjust accordingly.
• Once you're done, press OK to store the new setting.
• To finish, press 'Menu' and then either turn the TV off at the remote (or at the main switch on the front).

If you want to carry out a full geometry adjustment, it's best to do it properly with a DVD player and one of those Test Card DVD's you can get off eBay and the like. This guide will show you what to adjust, although stick to whatever's on the diagram.
Maybe ignore the 'S-Correction' and 'V-Linearity' adjustments as these can be tricky to get right. Do not adjust any random settings just for the sake of it, as it can render the TV useless.

[danstan21]

Thanks so much for that description Oldgamingfart. I was worried that once I got to service mode I wouldn't know what to do to actually fix the thing, so that has helped greatly. I'll give it a go later today and let you know how it works out.

EDIT: Just as a side-question, you say that the adjustment might make Composite inputs off-centre. Thing is, I have two other consoles hooked up via composite right now and they have the exact same left-shift problem, so would they not be fixed by this as well? (I can't remember if my NES, hooked up via coax, had the shift problem, but I'm not going to be too worried if that gets alittle off-centre since I barely use it.)

[Oldgamingfart]

EDIT: Just as a side-question, you say that the adjustment might make Composite inputs off-centre. Thing is, I have two other consoles hooked up via composite right now and they have the exact same left-shift problem, so would they not be fixed by this as well?

I guess in that case, yes making the relevant adjustments will fix all the issues you're currently having. I might've been thinking about the Widescreen models, as they can be a bit tricky to set up (what with all the different Zoom modes etc). Anyway, see how you get on.

[danstan21]

Yup, that's sorted - thanks so much again for your help. It's still not perfect as I've realised that the right edge of the picture "leans," so the edge of the picture doesn't quite match up with the edge of the TV screen, but it's such a miniscule issue that I'm fine keeping it there so as not to risk messing up other settings. It's much, much better than it was before though. Cheers!

EDIT: After faffing around a bit more I solved that issue. With every solution I discover a new problem, though - it seems that the whole picture is rotated about 5 degrees anticlockwise. Not so sure how to correct that issue. But, at this point, I really am just nitpicking.

[Oldgamingfart]

Glad you got it sorted. If there's no loudspeakers nearby, the cause of the rotation might be the actual deflection yoke has slipped round a tiny bit. It was quite a common issue with the Sony TV's (something to do with the glue or sticky tape going bad over time). Probably best to leave it as it is (potential 'can of worms').

[danstan21]

Glad you got it sorted. If there's no loudspeakers nearby, the cause of the rotation might be the actual deflection yoke has slipped round a tiny bit. It was quite a common issue with the Sony TV's (something to do with the glue or sticky tape going bad over time). Probably best to leave it as it is (potential 'can of worms').

Yeah, think I will leave it be on that front. It's barely noticeable at all for the vast majority of the time.

One final question then I'll promise I'll be satisfied, because it seems like you could spend your life tweaking this stuff I currently have the picture set so that it's almost perfect, in that I can see all of the picture and it fits the edges of the screen nicely - except it's still ever so slightly off-centre and there's about 2/3 cm black border on the right side. However, when I attempt to reduce the h-shift further (in order to move the picture closer to the right side), although most of the picture moves closer to that edge, the top inch of the picture "breaks up" and shifts a massive amount the other way. Not quite sure how to describe it, so hope that makes sense. Is this just another inherent problem with CRTs wearing down over time or is this easily fixable by adjusting other settings?

[dvdx2]

Dont forget to show us some pics!