I bought another one of these Buffalo SNES pads to use with my Raspberry Pi. They are much better than the cheap pads you tend to get on eBay. I'd say they're close enough to real thing to be satisfying to use. I was playing SF2:Turbo and easily pulling off all the moves.
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I agree Leon. I'm a big ossc advocate and I'm only using this crt because I have an amiga 2000 that uses it so it's there anyway. An lcd plus ossc is a great solution but ad you say, there are aspects to a crt that just don't translate into flat panel world. Nostalgia is possibly 99% of it though!
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Originally posted by Brad View PostNostalgia is possibly 99% of it though!
The reason I use the OSSC and also enjoy emulation with my Retro Pi, is because I'm happy with how retro games can look on an LCD with things set up properly with scanlines. It feels authentic enough to make me happy, with the added bonus of being able to use my main television in the living room. I've seen emulation set up so badly that it makes a mockery of retro games, but the results can be really nice if you take the time to work out how to make things look reasonably authentic.
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Originally posted by dvdx2 View Postafter using pro crt monitors - the video quality is easily halved, if not more.
I just can't see how you can take say a PC Engine game, which is relatively very basic when it comes to resolution and colour pallette, and make it look 50% better than when using a Framemeister or OSSC on a decent LCD that is set up properly. What I see when using one of those scalers with really old hardware such as the Mega Drive, PCE, SNES, Neo Geo, is a really colourful vibrant image that is very attractive with scanlines turned on. I'd be amazed if a CRT monitor can deliver double the clarity and richness.
When I went back to using a CRT recently, despite it not being anywhere near high end, I saw an image that feels different to LCD because of the glow and refresh rate of the CRT tech. I didn't think it was very much different in other areas compared to using a scaler with my LCD. I just can't imagine something like a Mega Drive game being able to suddenly look far nicer when using a high end monitor. You'd think they might actually show the limitations in resolution and colour depth up more. But if a high end monitor can make something like F-Zero on the SNES look incredibly more beautiful than on a regular Trinitron television or using a Framemeister/OSSC, then I really would be shocked.Last edited by Leon Retro; 26-07-2018, 21:06.
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The whole thing is subjective. I used to have a Sony pvm. I know it was better than this Amiga monitor but my neo Geo looks great on this commodore CRT and I think I actually prefer it. On my plasma, through ossc, the image is crystal clear, with fabulous scanlines and I know there is no lag because I measured it myself. But... I still prefer to see it on my 14" CRT, probably just because I know that's where it's supposed to be.
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Originally posted by Brad View PostThe whole thing is subjective. I used to have a Sony pvm. I know it was better than this Amiga monitor but my neo Geo looks great on this commodore CRT and I think I actually prefer it. On my plasma, through ossc, the image is crystal clear, with fabulous scanlines and I know there is no lag because I measured it myself. But... I still prefer to see it on my 14" CRT, probably just because I know that's where it's supposed to be.
I can easily appreciate why some people prefer to use a CRT with their retro machines. I also believe that a good condition PVM can deliver an image that beats even a top end Trinitron screen. But I just can't imagine how a PVM can make really old 240p games look double the quality of what you see with the OSSC on a good LCD with scanlines enabled. That really would amaze me.
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Originally posted by Leon Retro View PostIt's definitely subjective to some degree, because the look and overall vibe of CRT screens can't be totally replicated on an LCD, however good the scaler is. There are clear characteristics of CRT tech that can be seen as a good thing, but also a bad thing to some people. Using a decent LCD with an OSSC can definitely deliver an image that some people might prefer over even the best CRT screens.
I can easily appreciate why some people prefer to use a CRT with their retro machines. I also believe that a good condition PVM can deliver an image that beats even a top end Trinitron screen. But I just can't imagine how a PVM can make really old 240p games look double the quality of what you see with the OSSC on a good LCD with scanlines enabled. That really would amaze me.
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Originally posted by dvdx2 View PostCome over to Belfast for a night or two mate and i’ll put you up and give you a tour of the top pvm/bvms.
Maybe it's best to stick with thinking the image using my OSSC looks great.Last edited by Leon Retro; 26-07-2018, 23:19.
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I wonder if a good 4k display now has enough resolution that an emulator could output an image that rendered all the CRT nuances convincingly. I've seen options for phosphor type, screen curve etc. In emulation before. The pixel density is so high now that maybe it would work. Probably need a beast of a pc to do it though.
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Originally posted by Brad View PostI wonder if a good 4k display now has enough resolution that an emulator could output an image that rendered all the CRT nuances convincingly. I've seen options for phosphor type, screen curve etc. In emulation before. The pixel density is so high now that maybe it would work. Probably need a beast of a pc to do it though.
I realise that I'm not too fussy though. If the image looks clear and sharp with decent scanlines, I'm happy. The only time I think retro games look terrible is when feeding a pre-HD console direct into an LCD, or using emulation with image softening filters.
Maybe someone will create a 4K scaler with some nice CRT filters that look really effective.
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Originally posted by CMcK View PostHave you seen the CRT filter options in Sonic Mania Plus? They look rather good on a 4k display.
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