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    Watched a decent little flick last night called Big Rascal (1979/80)

    It stars Chi Kuan Chun as a dockworker whose martial prowess draws the attention of a crime lord. He hires him to protect his casino, and also hands a job to CKC's 'brother'. The crime boss and his right hand man contrive to get the brother to attack a rival brothel and restaurant, then inform CKC that his pal is in danger. CKC goes in, rescues his bro and smashes the place up, taking over in the process. Rival boss Kam Kong hires various thugs, including Pang Gang, to challenge CKC. Meanwhile, the bro romances a lonely female fighter who is out for vengeance.

    It was a really nice little watch cos we both expected different things to what we got. VP expected a lame comedy, whereas I expected more of a basher. What we got was an early-twentieth century setting in a rural area, with a variety of fighting styles. There were some half-decent acrobatics, pole fighting, knife fighting, punch and block work, eagle's claw, tiger claw, snake fist and crane style. The fights were rather decent - the director and screenwriter was also CKC. There were some really tight, long cuts up-close, and CKC laid out the whupass with gusto. You can tell he was SB trained. The lass was decent (and hardly in any films) and more than held her own.

    There were some lovely tracking camera shots - one fight in the restaurant had a superb panning shot up high, looking down at the combatants, in a long cut that passed by supporting poles. There was also a nice touch late on, where CKC had a super fight against one guy. Normally, when a couple of blokes are fighting in, say, a street, and the director wants to move to an open field, he'll have them leaping up; the camera following them, pointed at the sky; the sound of flapping coats, and bang, they'd be there - after one jump. This film had CKC and his enemy leaping on horseback for a long chase out of the town and to a field, fighting each other on the way. They then dismounted and carried on. It was a nicely-elaborated continuity shot, rather than the usual shortcut.

    A good watch.
    Last edited by prinnysquad; 18-06-2011, 22:57. Reason: Not sure which character is which lol

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      I've never seen that, it sounds good, I know he's a good fighter and he has his fans but I've never really seen his independent films properly.

      Do you know what studio it was filmed by?


      Almost watched a kung fu film with a mate today but I just couldn't decide what to watch. Did watch a couple of trailers, at least.

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        Production company according to hkmdb is Kuan Chun Film Co.
        I seem to remember 'Champion Films' at the start.

        CHeck out from about 14.35:

        Last edited by prinnysquad; 18-06-2011, 22:52.

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          Thanks for posting the link to a clip, it looks pretty good. I'm so used to having seen him with the Shaolin hairdo, it's weird seeing him differently.

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            Love the way he comes to defend his beaten brother at 16.10, all nonchalant with his cigarette. He's in that zone throughout the film - cool as ice

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              Hard to Kill / Interpol Connection
              I saw this because it features Robin Shou from Mortal Kombat ("Moooorgaa Kooombaaaaaa") and Yukari Oshima, who was great in Outlaw Brothers and Millionaire's Express.

              This film is rubbish though.

              I think my main issue is that it wants to be this gritty police thriller with vengeance, bloody shootouts and a by-the-book cop brought in to catch the End of Game Baddie. However, it also wants to be this hilarious comedy by introducing an absolute buffoon of a sidekick.

              The sidekick, King Kong (not that one, although, how ace would that be? Sorry, I digress...), spends his time being an absolute unfunny tool and just grinds the plot to a halt every time he's in it. He eats a smashed apple off the floor, wets himself, orders prostitutes, Nearly gets the other cops killed by squealing at a cockroach, blows their silent infiltration, wears long socks and sandals and even gets his partner killed because he's chumping about. This is soon forgotten though, we're straight onto more tomfoolery.

              Yukari Oshima gets top billing, but only appears a third of the way through and Simon Yam (Tiger Cage) is in it for about 5 mins and apparently, these are taken wholesale from Fatal Termination!

              I nearly gave up because Kong was grinding my gears so much, but I ploughed through to the end where there's a passable final dust-up at the boss' mansion, but the fight scenes are really jumpy with the edits paying very little interest to continuity. Oh there's a pair of poles there to fight with. I'm pretty sure they weren't there a minute ago and who has fighting poles just hanging around their patio?

              The film is all tied up with some final buffoonery from Kong and all the cops being chums with each other, despite Kong having delayed their investigation, let a partner get killed, let the bad guy repeatedly get away and generally behaved like an unprofessional simpleton.

              Avoid!

              I'm not the only one who thinks this sucks either:



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                If you're going to keep on skanking on Phillip Ko, I'm going to have to send you to Shaolin Temple for a kicking. You KNOW his directorial jobs were lame, working for rank companies in obscurity, with crap scripts and iffy actors. Plus, directing clearly wasn't his forte. Remove that aspect of his career from your mind, now.

                Get watching Tiger Over Wall, Eight Diagram Pole Fighter, Legend of a Fighter, etc, to see PK the ACTOR, showing YOU how HE did proper SHIZZLE.

                Plus, I really need to get some poles for the patio, so I can practice my QC-whuppin technique in the back garden.

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                  You sit through it then! You'll be in the first-class carriage of the skank-o-train too.

                  I've got Eight-Diagram Pole Fighter lined up after Tiger Cage I and Iron Angels.

                  I trust Shinobi's tutelage over yours though, you'll never be a true master.

                  Besides, I've already got some staffs on my patio. They're right next to the nunchuks.

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                    Originally posted by QualityChimp View Post
                    I trust Shinobi's tutelage over yours though, you'll never be a true master.
                    Goddamn you. You just don't have the skills to handle old skool in its original context.

                    Although Shinobi has watched hundreds more films than I so no arguments there.

                    Five Pattern Dragon Claws

                    Gentlemen, I give you Mr Hwang Jang Lee, the greatest bootmaster of all time. He raises this flick from run-of-the-mill hyper-low brow indie, to something genuinely worth watching.

                    I'll not pretend this film is anything other than a distraction, but HJL puts in tremendous work here. The story is very ordinary - a martial hard bastard wants to assert his dominance, and the loss of the two greatest fighters of the local temple creates a void he is eager to step into. He gets his toughs to spread the word that he's boss, while the leftover students decide who guards four key kung fu manuals. Cue a fight for supremacy. But (and this is significant because it raises the story from paint-by-numbers), there's the added bonus that many characters perish. Including a few who you don't really expect will get their exit visa. I recap - nothing major, just an extra angle of interest.

                    The costumes and the setting are straight-down-the-line cheap indie stock efforts. But you came here for action, right? There's plenty of it. The fights start ok, and get better throughout. There's a great fight between HJL and three students on a bridge, and some decent co-op work after that. There's a bit of weapons work, before the final rumble, which is very good indeed. HJL takes on Dragon Lee and another fighter, who shall remain nameless for the sake of spoilers, and it's a bit spiffy. It's also very odd. There's a weird, intense pounding soundtrack accompaniment to the fight, like they've shoehorned two different tunes together, but it makes for a nicely chaotic racket. There's some nice special effects touches (once again - spoilered), and the fight, though clearly undercranked, never hits the usual Godfrey Ho freneticness, with some excellent punch and block work to accompany the kicks. I loved it.

                    Look, this is not a classic. Far from it. In spite of the above, the pace is quite lethargic as a whole, and the story ambles along. But considering this is a GODFREY HO/TOMAS TANG effort, I was expecting an incoherent mess with sped-up fights. It's not. It's a worthy distraction, with Dragon Lee proving he was a capable martial artist in his own right, and HJL putting in some great HJL work.

                    So there, QualityChimp. All your fu belong to me.

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                      I always get 5 Pattern Dragon Claws, Dragon Claws, and Secret Ninja Roaring Tiger mixed up. It's like they're all a blur in my mind.

                      Secret Ninja is the one with the crazy ending, right? No spoilers...

                      Guys this is the best place for discussing kung fu films for me, as every other place has too many arguments, I hope you're just joking and it's all light hearted fun.

                      I mainly like 80s/90s stuff now, but I'll watch anything as long as it's good. I think QC likes the modern stuff.

                      Prinny is building up a crazy collection of old school rare stuff, though. In 5 years time he should become a bootlegger operating out of mainland China (joke!). We'll chip in for the warehouse, Prinny.

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                        tbh, I wouldn't mind that. I was just saying to a Fat mate the other day, I bet there's a treasure trove of goodies knocking around in South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, etc. That fiol guy went to China on a rares hunt, didn't he? But unless I haven't been paying attention, he hasn't mentioned what he's got. Hmph. I've only scratched the surface of old skool, but loving it. I need to keep you moderns-guys in the loop

                        Dragon's Claws is the 1979 Joseph Kuo film with HJL.
                        Secret Ninja Roaring Tiger is 1982, Ho/Tang flick with HJL and Dragon Lee. Got it but ain't seen it, I've heard the end fight is mad.
                        Five Pattern Dragon Claws is a 1982 Ho/Tang flick with HJL and Dragon Lee, which goes under the aka Dragon (singular) Claws.
                        Martial Monks of the Shaolin Temple is the third HJL/Dragon Lee collaboration working for Godfrey Ho, this time in 1983.

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                          I think he posted pics of posters and lobby cards he had picked up, so far.

                          I'm thinking I've seen at least 2 or 3 of the first 3 films you listed, but probably not the fourth.

                          Secret Ninja isn't very good but there is something quite funny in it and the last fight is good (if I'm not getting it mixed up with one of the others).


                          If you were a dodgy bootlegger, what kind of fake titles would you guys come up with? I was always fond of Bloodshed 2- Barefoot Snake in the Monkey's Shadow (widescreen remastered original language). It would of course, be full screen pan and scanned with a really crap dub. The cover would also feature actors who do not appear in the film.

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                            Originally posted by shinobi7000 View Post
                            Guys this is the best place for discussing kung fu films for me, as every other place has too many arguments, I hope you're just joking and it's all light hearted fun.

                            I mainly like 80s/90s stuff now, but I'll watch anything as long as it's good. I think QC likes the modern stuff.

                            Prinny is building up a crazy collection of old school rare stuff, though. In 5 years time he should become a bootlegger operating out of mainland China (joke!). We'll chip in for the warehouse, Prinny.
                            Yeah, we're just joshing, don't worry. This is a safe place.

                            Prin loves his period stuff, I love modern-day settings. Both of us will dabble in either.

                            He's sorted me out with some good stuff to try, but I think our similar tastes means you keep coming up with awesome suggestions that really hit the mark.

                            I can't believe I'd never heard of Above The Law until you suggested it. It's easily made my top 10, so thanks!

                            Prinnysquad and I really appreciate your feedback in this thread, mate.

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                              I knew you guys were joking, it's just a bit hard to tell when it's written.

                              I'll pm you another list soon, QC, I kind of know exactly what you like by now. I am not lying when I say this thread got be back into these films, it's also cost me a bit . Do debt collectors accept dvds as payment?

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                                Obviously it would have to be a totally different title to the original, and names would be spelled differently.

                                Seven Grandmasters
                                would be renamed MARTIAL WORLD DOMINANCE.

                                Instead of starring Jack Long, Lung Fei, Li Yi-Min and Corey Yuen
                                it would star Lung Shih-Chia, Chow San Kwai, Simon Lee and Don Yuen. That makes the cast look nicely different.

                                As yours, it would be a widescreen original language release, but in reality a fullscreen letterbox job, with Vaughan Savidge handling the English dubbing.

                                The cover would feature Mark Long as the Ghostface Killer from Mystery of Chess Boxing.

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