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It has been co-opted unfortunately then. It was a big thing around, yes, Rey which also coincided with wider rampant misogyny and, because they’re often connected, racism about people in several roles (I think that awful Fantastic Four movie was one of them but there were more). Rogue One really brought the trolls out in force because it had a woman lead and the term was everywhere. A whole bunch of places became a toilet as it spread from 4chan, Reddit to places like the IMDB boards, which shut down because they couldn’t function in that environment. So it has become a term most used by those trolls, where they’ll level it at a woman Jedi but not a male baby Jedi and so on. Anyway, it comes with negative connotations and, as a result, certainly brings out a cynical side in me when I see it used.
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Surprised about Rogue one, I think Jyn is quite a good character. I wouldnt call her a Mary Sue. She struggles and has doubts and ultimately closes out her character arc. I can't actually think of anyone in that film that just succeeds through coincidence really.
Maybe 'Mary Sue' needs changing to something else. I mean the definition exists in media, so maybe the name it's given needs to change.
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I’m not even sure the film was out when it all came to a head. It was just totally toxic and, by that point, so blatant that having a woman in the lead role at all was bringing out the trolls. This is the thing - the Mary-sue complaint was only really an attempt to justify misogyny in those examples (not saying in yours but that’s where my initial comment came from). It was a train wreck.
And yeah, I love Rogue One.
Anyway, history lesson over. I get what you’re saying. Hope you can understand where I was coming from.
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Biggest issue with Jyn in Rogue One is the incredibly poor casting, Jones was completely the wrong pick for the role that presumably came about because casting was done in the haze of her being in Theory of Everything. Though SW has a history of casting British actors she stands out too much as a Queens english posh toff supposedly as a struggling to survive as criminal, rough rogue fighting back against an overwhelming threat populated by... often Queens english posh toffs. It's a bit like Emilia Clarke in Solo (or Terminator Genysis) situation where the suspicion that their associated hit decided the casting more than suitability, both would be fine in better suited roles but don't convince in the ones they occupy (in Solo's case that's true to Solo himself too). In Rogue One's case we could have had Tatiana Maslany and that would have been glorious casting
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Sony's Latin American official channel posted a video that...
Opens saying 'The three Spider-Men together... who is your favourite? You don't have to choose, in the Marvel Multi-verse anything can happen'. It used footage from all three lines of movies and at the end said 'in Spider-Man 3 you will quite possibly see everyone, yes, the three Peter Parker's save the world together. Find out more soon'. If true it'd be great to have the best SM incarnation (OG) become MCU canon and would cement the door being wide open to draft in Venom without issues too.
Sony's been frantically taking down mirrors of its own trailer ever since.
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From comics probably.
Anyway, it’s still at “sources say” stage but the Hollywood Reporter is fairly certain Molina is back as Doc Ock. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...doctor-octopus
Honestly, this kind of thing does nothing for me.
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It seems that almost all the major players from the pre-MCU “Spider-Msn” films are coming back for the upcoming third Tom Holland-led movie. It began a few hours ago with a report at THR that Alfred Molina would reprise his role of Doctor Octopus/Otto Octavius from “Spider-Man 2”. Now Collider is reporting that he’ll be […]
Reports are that Emma Stone and Kirsten Dunst are coming back too. I love it, Hollands third solo movie might actually be notable this time
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Dunst was one of the worst things about the Maguire movies. Dunst and Macy Grey or whatever she was called.
This is exactly like when Lucas put Hayden Christensen at the end of Return of the Jedi.Last edited by Dogg Thang; 09-12-2020, 06:34.
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