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    Shock to the System

    A 1990 effort from a mostly obscure director, starring Michael Caine, and based on a Simon Brett novel. This black comedy sees a put-upon ad executive begin to see murder as the solution to his problems.

    I really liked this. Ebert in his review says that one of the best things about the film is that's unpredictable. You never know quite how it's going to go. That's true and is something I value about it. Caine's performance is also great, and his antagonist is hate-able enough to make you squirm.

    A fun, easy watching, slightly unusual film with an ending that I particularly liked.

    Croupier

    This now mostly forgotten 1998 British neo-noir helped boost the early days of Clive Owen's career. He plays a struggling novelist who takes a job as the eponymous croupier in a casino.

    This film reviewed well at the time and is still talked about fondly. It didn't work for me, however. I found the writerly trappings, chiefly in the form of a narration by Owen, pretentious, and the story itself falls apart for me in the latter half. Owen's character's cool, almost sociopathic detachment from proceedings translated almost too well to the viewer, in that by the time the third act rolled round I really didn't care what happened.

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      The main thing I remember about Croupier is that Clive Owen wore a tux and people said he'd make a great Bond.
      I agree.

      I really liked him in The International where he does some detective work and has some action scenes.
      Love when he puts a straw through a bullet hole to work out it came from a higher sniping point than the police report suggested.

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        Yeah, he would've made a pretty cool Bond.

        I really wanted to like Croupier but the film failed to come together in a meaningful way for me. I'm actually quite flummoxed by its critical reputation to be honest.

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          I remember being underwhelmed by it too.

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            Clive Warren.

            I watched Jason and the Argonauts again last night. Excellent. Talos is an iconic villain. The entire film is well-paced and crafted.

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              The stop motion in that movie is magical.

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                Watched 'The Haunting' (1963), the first filmic take on Shirley Jackson's amazing 1959 novel 'The Haunting of Hill House'. It was really very good, proper spooky. They changed elements, obviously, removing a character and the outdoor settings, and in particular removed (or dialed back on) the whole transgressive lesbian narrative that defines the book which I guess was not Hollywood for the time, but the overall feel was spot on. Well and quickly paced as well.
                Last edited by Golgo; 05-05-2023, 18:43.

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                  Yeah Clive Owen should've been been a way bigger star. He chose some absolute stinkers though which didn't help him become a regular leading man. But I suppose if you have films like Closer, Inside Man, The Boys are Back and Children of Men in your book, you'd be pretty happy.

                  Any good ones I may have missed? I haven't seen much at all of him in the last few years.

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                    He was in Valerian and the City Of A Thousand Planets but he was more than a bit wooden in it. Most recent watchable but over all mediocre (and that is being kind) film I have seen him in was Will Smith's Gemini Man where, of course he played a bad egg.

                    Last time I saw him on TV he was being used as a celebrity model on the Sky Arts programme Masters Of Photography.

                    For me his defining role is still the TV series Chancer but on film his acting to me has always felt a bit theatrical and shallow. The only British actor of his type I can think of, having an almost insouciant air at times, but who does that well is Jeremy Irons and even his film performances can drift towards the theatrically pantomime. The late Alan Rickman likewise.
                    Last edited by fallenangle; 07-05-2023, 00:12. Reason: typo, additional thoughts

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                      As I say, I love The International, but Shoot 'Em Up is cinematic insanity that is a blast to watch.

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                        Baywatch - not as bad as I had expected, mindless fun with loads of flesh for both girls and boys to enjoy. Can't believe how shredded Zac was. Nice cameo from Pam as well, the cameo from the Hoff was a waste.

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                          The TiVo box should be getting swapped today(ish), so I tried watching another stored movie, from yet another random channel.
                          I think this was on 426 GREAT! movies action. No, I hadn't heard of it either, but it's reminding me I don't always have to scour the streaming platforms.

                          Predestination (2014 via GREAT! movies action)
                          Bit of an oddity this. One I'd heard good things about, but it didn't quite know what it wanted to be.
                          It starts of like this action time-travel story, like Looper or something, then changes gear and a good chunk of the movie is with Ethan Hawkes' character as a barman, talking to a patron about their life story.
                          It's a good story, with a final chunk of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff to conveniently tie it all up.

                          Definitely worth watching for the unique story by author Robert A. Heinlein (Starship Troopers), but especially for the sublime performance by Sarah Snook. No idea why she's not better know from this performance.

                          For my birthday, my lovely, thoughtful and generous wife has bought me a 6 month cinema pass, which I'm planning on caning.

                          Starting with that monolith of cinema - The Super Mario Bros. Movie (2023 via the cinema).
                          So, for the first 30 to 45 minutes I was having a blast. Great voice cast and loads of great references to spot. Then I started to realise that there are loooads of references. In fact, it felt like a vehicle to attach a load of references to, with very little story.

                          Something like Dungeons and Dragons and Ready Player One work because they'd still be great stories without the references and Easter eggs, but Mario would fall apart without them.

                          It was still fun, though, the kids enjoyed it and I think we all wanted to play a Mario game afterwards, so as a 90 minute advert, it definitely paid off!

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                            Yep, that's exactly it. It's a perfect Mario movie but you need the Mario part. It's so true to the source that the story is barely present. That could prove tricky with the Nintendo Cinematic Universe moving forward as the strictness they apply to their IP and void of story across it all could become a commonly raised issue. It's why it feels fruitless hoping for a Zelda or Metroid movie, they'd be awful

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                              I think a Zelda movie could work as it's a good fantasy setting, but I don't know where they'd go with a Mario sequel.
                              I hope they've got all the references out of their system and can write a story with some references, rather than write references with some story, like this one.

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                                I think that's the trouble, it works great but I wonder how much writing freedom Nintendo will let them have or whether it'll be more and more of the same. Without the level of recognition Mario has I'd be curious if Zelda or similar would work given 'save the princess' is also as deep as Zelda's world goes (that's right BOTW fans desperately clawing for the game to have more to say than it does )


                                Well... I suppose there's the Kong Wars...

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