Does anyone find it hilarious that when someone comes out and says Islam is a violent religion then get disagreed with by death threat?
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Originally posted by Rick View PostDoes anyone find it hilarious that when someone comes out and says Islam is a violent religion then get disagreed with by death threat?
I'd rather he was allowed in to show the film, but only if Muslims didn't go nuts over it, which of course they will. I'm expecting my Hotmail and Facebook accounts to be inundated with emails claiming it's my duty to make sure he doesn't get to show his horrible film.
Really, if your idea of saving Islam is to ban people from saying anything against it, surely that's giving a negative view? If I had a quid for every time a Muslim told someone to 'use their intellect' when viewing the Qur'an, I'd have enough money to bring him round to my house for a private viewing. How can you claim your religion is tops and all intellectual and scientific if you flatly refuse to let people state their views or vent their frustrations? Not to mention, most of the times I've been in a room full of Muslims, the only things discussed are Jewish this and Hindu that. Islam's much, much bigger than these Muslims who keep trying to protect it, anyway.
I love the name, though, Fitna (trouble, strife, etc), because essentially extremism IS in itself a fitna.
I'm waiting for the day someone like him shows a film or draws a picture or says something naughty and my fellow Muslims just laugh it off as being immature.
Yeah, right...
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As usual the UK Gov jump the gun entirely with their assumption that it will cause offence & all hell will break loose on the streets, just as with towns & cities having to adopt 'Seasons Greetings' messages instead of 'Merry Xmas' for fear of it offending non christian religions.
Maybe they should ask those groups what their opinion is before jumping the gun & causing even more harm & resentment in this country for nothing.
And if they become offended & do decide to protest well then let them. Its not gonna be the end of the world (or is it?)
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Originally posted by Tommy Verceti View PostMaybe they should ask those groups what their opinion is before jumping the gun & causing even more harm & resentment in this country for nothing.
And if they become offended & do decide to protest well then let them. Its not gonna be the end of the world (or is it?)
If you asked Muslim groups whether he should be allowed in to the country to show his video and to speak - they'd probably say he shouldn't be and that he's not a positive person.
So, if someone is not promoting Islam and saying it's great - they are a negative person. That's the way it goes.
When it comes to protesting - it cost £2million to police the recent Muslim protests against the war in Palestine. The government know that there will be protests and they won't be totally peaceful - so.. once again more valuable resources wasted.
When you weigh-up the likely outcome of what would happen if he was allowed to enter the country - you can sort of understand the government's stance. It's a shame that democracy has to be put to one side - because Muslim groups are so powerful.
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Originally posted by Leon Ahoy! View PostWhen it comes to protesting - it cost ?2million to police the recent Muslim protests against the war in Palestine. The government know that there will be protests and they won't be totally peaceful - so.. once again more valuable resources wasted.
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Originally posted by Dirty Sanchez View PostThe vast majority already think that don't they?
At the risk of making another blanket statement, I'd reckon if you were to ask 10-20 random Muslims what their views are on things like war and terrorism in Islam you'll most likely get the same answer - that war is ok depending on the situation but terrorism is just plain wrong and unacceptable in Islam. Fair enough, but probe a little deeper - ask where one stops and the other begins - and you most likely will not get a straightforward answer. I've yet to receive a straightforward answer myself.
Of course, you can't know these things unless you've been taught them, but I've heard the arguments for suicide bombing in Islam and I tell you they can be quite convincing to the wrong kinds of people, and the reason we're getting these guys doing this sort of thing is because they're being taught things by teachers who really have little to no academic authority and are being convinced because they're feeling emotional. The key is in figuring out whether what you're being taught is morally sound (and so inherently Islamic) or not, but here is where it gets interesting, because Islam determines your morals, it tells you what is good and bad, what is right and wrong, and you have no say in the matter, otherwise you are not a Muslim.
But back to Van Wilder, supposing I was in a position of power and involved in his visit to the UK, I'd gather together a delegation of the more respectable Muslim leaders/theorists/lecturers to welcome him here. Then I'd get them to watch the film together and maybe have a nice discussion about it afterwards.
Also, his hairstyle is pure win, and on that merit alone he should be allowed in, and God help me I'd also make him an honourary Muslim for a day.
Does anyone know if he managed to make it here? It was supposed to be today, wasn't it?
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People are quick to play the 'it wouldn't happen if he was a Muslim preacher' card, but the fact is a lot more clerics have been deported for hate speech than loony politicians, not to mention Abu Hamza, who will be deported if he's ever released from prison - bearing in mind that he's 50 and serving a 57-year sentence, that's not a sure thing. And this guy's no more about protecting European cultural identity than the BNP is British. Awesome hair, though.
At the same time, I disagree with the government barring him from entering the country, just because I'm against any restriction on free speech like that. You may not like what he has to say, but speech that everyone agrees with isn't the speech that needs protecting.
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Leon AhoyMuslims don't like anyone saying anything against Islam. If you have any negative opinions regarding Islam - it's just not acceptable.
If you asked Muslim groups whether he should be allowed in to the country to show his video and to speak - they'd probably say he shouldn't be and that he's not a positive person.
So, if someone is not promoting Islam and saying it's great - they are a negative person. That's the way it goes.
When it comes to protesting - it cost £2million to police the recent Muslim protests against the war in Palestine. The government know that there will be protests and they won't be totally peaceful - so.. once again more valuable resources wasted.
Its a hot political issue that many people have strong feelings about therfore it can easily boil over - so its not a waste of resources.
When you weigh-up the likely outcome of what would happen if he was allowed to enter the country - you can sort of understand the government's stance. It's a shame that democracy has to be put to one side - because Muslim groups are so powerful.
Muslims groups do not have all the power you imagine them too have.
Its all common sense really and I find it amazing that people will try and spin it to make it look like a big conspiracy.
When you weigh-up the likely outcome of what would happen if he was allowed to enter the country - you can sort of understand the government's stance.
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Originally posted by Brats View PostThe question I have is why are the Lords bothered about seeing his film in the first place?
Is it a double bill with the Chinese short film 'Ways to make dissidents disappear forever'?
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What I used to find funny, but now quite sad is that people can't tell the difference between culture and religion. Who's to say that you can't have a 100% cultural European background and yet still have an 'eastern' religion? (even though all current major religions i know of originated from the east)
Its a bit like the Spanish Inquisition, even though the people were Spanish just because of their belief (be it Jews, Muslims, or even Protestants) they were persecuted for not being Catholic
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