Teacher almost kills pupil during class

[abigsmurf]

Incredibly weird story which I'm sure the majority of people have heard about by now.

This is apparently what happened according to some tabloids:

A well liked teacher has a stroke and returns to work a couple of weeks later, apparently not fully himself. A girl for some reason, tears up a text book in front of him and in return he kicks her bag ("you damage our property, we'll damage yours").

After that he goes into class and the victim starts singing "I'm looking at the psycho in the mirror" (to the tune of the MJ song). Teacher gets angry, demands he stops, the kid swears at him, teacher responds by hitting him on the head with a weight, then drags him into a stock room whilst continuing to beat him with the weight, hitting a couple of students who tried to get him off the boy, before eventually being overpowered.

It's a scary story but it evokes weird feelings. The prospect of a teacher killing a student in class like that is unthinkable and yet the teacher has a lot of support. He clearly wasn't recovered or possibly capable of doing a job like his after the stroke and behaviour of the kid in question (if the reports are true) was totally disgusting. It also probably has affected people's view by that photo released of the victim where he had a smug look on his face and spiky hair. Possibly lots of people saw the photo and thought "I knew someone just like him..." in a negative way.

It does raise questions about the options open to teachers though. Their avenues of discipline are incredibly limited and lots of kids are being brought up increasingly badly by parents who just don't care. With no way of controlling these pupils, perhaps it's surprising there haven't been more 'Falling Down' style moments by teachers. The fact they're just kids means people will exercise huge restraint but everyone has a point where the red mist takes over.

It's just a horrible story overall though. What's other people's views on this?

[prinnysquad]

Teachers have no real options open to them today. If a kid acts like a twat and the parents get informed, some instantly side with the kid, taking it as some personal slur that their offspring has been accused of something. It's a poor show.

I remember vividly getting bollocked off my dad when I was in the 2nd year juniors for the state of my Maths book, a very minor thing compared to the stuff kids get away with these days, and he made me sit down for two nights setting things out neatly and taking personal responsibility for, and pride in, my work. Back then if you got wrong you feared your parent's reaction. Now some kids use their parents as a weapon and actively boast that they're going to get them in to sort you out. Lo and behold, it's often been seen for the aforementioned parents to be stomping towards the school entrance, look of fury on face, ready to raise hell with anyone who has dared tell off their little angel.

Sadly, something like this event has been on the cards for years.

[Daragon]

This story sounds faked to me.

The 'victim' was a girl in the opening paragraph, yet became a boy in the second.

And for this 'girl' to tear up a text book, seemingly for no reason infront of the teacher and then have the 'balls' to call HIM a psycho? LOL!

[abigsmurf]

The girl and the boy were different people. The articles I've read don't give a reason why the girl ripped that text book (she could've been doing it to piss the teacher off or doing it for some over reason and the teacher just happened to see it).

prinny:

Indeed, if my parents found out I got told off by the teacher, I'd get told off by them too.

A terms that's thrown about a lot in some social news places for this is "precious little snowflakes". Taking the piss out of the insistance that someone or their kids are unique, special and fragile and should be treated as such by everyone. It's a point of view hammered into some people by the media to the point of extreme selfishness or protectiveness and a view that nothing they do is wrong but rather, someone else is wrong.

It will be interesting to see the long term effects of this. It's incredibly unusual for the media not to be all "HOW DARE THIS MONSTER BE IN OUR SCHOOLS" and make out the kid to be an angel. Maybe there is an undercurrent of people who are troubled by the behaviour of kids coming through the school system.

[prinnysquad]

The media love to rant about hoodies, they seem to have joined their own dots between bad parenting, poor behaviour and a lack of options open to deal with tearaway snowflakes.

[smouty]

It was bound to happen at some point as teachers have limited powers to discipline puplis these days.

[Stormtec]

This story definitely isn't a fake. It was on the local radio the morning it happened. The kid was transported to the hospital that I worked at and then taken to Queens Medical Centre in Nottingham due to the severity of his injuries, is what I was told by my colleagues later that day.

I agree with the statement that teachers don't have a lot of options open to them these days. Kids will just get away with anything these days and chavvy parents who think their kids can do no wrong doesn't help =/

[Spatial]

The story's not fake but (as I've said on here before) I wouldn't rely on the press for solid details. Especially if the sources are kids. I've first hand experience of how the press will flat out lie and twist things and anyone believing anything they read or hear on the news, without thinking and questioning it, needs their head seeing to.

Kids are always seen as angels. Just the same as everyone who gets murdered etc was apparently the best and most loveliest person on the planet who could do no wrong.

There's still the perception by society that children are innocent little creatures when (having been one myself) they bloody well aren't and never have been. Their manipulative, gobby and will test the boundaries as far as they can.

And that was before the world got as ****ed up as it is today when everyone (not just kids) think they automatically have the right to have / take / behave however they want. The whole "I don't know you, so I'm going to trample all over you because you don't matter and, anyway, I'm afraid you might get one over on me first!!!"

It's a disgusting way to live but it's become the norm. The vast majority of kids are growing up the same, fuelled by the perfect storm of bad parenting / the media / bad role models / gradual erosion of any meaningful boundaries.

Those who aren't growing up like that usually end up get dragged down with the rest.

While I certainly don't think the kid deserved to be battered over the head and left4dead (look, a game reference!) it's indicative of how bad things are getting these days. Teachers get abused on a regular basis (I know someone who teaches in my area who's got some right horror stories). It was only a matter of time before someone, somewhere snapped.

[NW2013]

Yeah, it's difficult to know what to say about this case because there are unlikely to be any real "facts" coming out about the story, it's all just opinion (apart from the kid being killed).

My only opinion is that teachers need more options available to them on how to discipline kids otherwise it's likely something like this will happen again.

[Kit]

Despite the obvious disgusting nature of his response, it’s hard to feel sympathy for a person -even taking into account teenage behaviour - who continually (if true) goaded someone recovering from a stroke; interesting to see how the parents respond to this point in particular.

Regarding discipline, my personal opinion is teachers should use exclusion more vigorously and the kids/chavs in question should be thrown straight into the army/reform school. I'm sure liberal softies will make their excuses over and over as to why this is a bad idea, but the reason we’re in this mess in the first place is because they dismantled the punishment system.

[Skull Commander]

I find that parents are scared to hit their kids nowadays leading to kids running wild without fear.

When I was a nipper I used to get a "thick ear" or a "skelped arse" if I misbehaved. When I started not responding to the above then it was a wooden spoon on the back of the legs!

There is such a backlash over hitting kids nowadays, but it didn't do me any harm.

[averybluemonkey]

The violence, threats and abuse hurled at teachers today is thoroughly reprehensible. I don't know how they put up with it. You can only push people so far before they snap.

[Flompy]

I got hit by a teacher when I was about 12, probably deserved it to be honest for being such a little **** but he got a final warning which was fair enough. This story is pretty disturbing though, the guy clearly wasn't ready to go back to work. Either that or he's always been mental.

[importaku]

Personally im on the side of the teacher, i think more teachers should be like this it might actually keep kids in check knowing that your teacher could snap at any time & stove your head in. The only sad thing in the story is the poor teacher is definately going to prision for losing control.

Kids today are basically little chavvy ****s who think they can do anything they want because the PC brigade has given them so much power.

If i was a teacher now id be so tempted to bring the biggest paperweight i could find to school.
"Morning class, i trust we are going to have a quiet non disruptive lesson today"

(Places paperweight on desk & starts polishing it LOL)

[teenagewasteland]

Rofl at that comment about the paperweight importaku
Part of the problem is the complete lack of respect. Teacher's have had many means of discipline removed from their arsenal and kids, being kids, will exploit this. What is a teacher supposed to do when provoked in the ways described? You shouldn't be hitting them with a paperweight but equally teachers shouldn't be expected to just accept it and take it on the chin which in many cases, they are expected to. The PC brigade hold a lot of responsibility for this in my opinion. Teachers are there to teach. Not deal with **** thrown at them by kids.