London Riots

[monel]

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[Tig]

I'm sorry, but I dont think that boredom is a good enough excuse either. If ppl are bored then find things to do. Theres plenty of things you can do for free.

We didnt have what other kids had at the time, but we werent jealous of them nor begrudge them or our parents. We found things to do. Funnilly enough sometimes it involved destoying an already abandoned old car or breaking old windows in an empty building or starting a small fire, making sure 1 of us had a bladder full of pi55 to put it out, but we NEVER thought of torching ppls businesses/flats, rioting, looting or hurting ppl.

I think you're getting the wrong end of the stick mate.
It's not an "excuse". Boredom is not an excuse to riot.

What the rioters have done can't be excused or justified - and they should take all the blame for what they did.



However... boredom might be one of many causes which influenced their behaviour. Cause does not equal excuse.


It's in our interests to look for causes.
People are shaped by their experiences- and these rioters grew up in the UK.
If society can work out why these people grew up to be pricks, we could potentially stop more people turning out the same way. Yes?

[Adam Stone]

Sorry tig, but 'Boredom' has absolute no place in this arguement, debate, discussion. Boredom has absolutely nothing to do with anything related to this thread or those similar.

[Harry]

I'd join in.

**** political correctness.

I have my own opinion and I want a free iPad 2.

[QualityChimp]

I'd join in.

**** political correctness.

I have my own opinion and I want a free iPad 2.

7pm on a Friday night and you're finishing your last?

Let me never get there.

I am currently drinking a rather refreshing beverage that consists of a pint a can (a rarity these days) at 5% called Belgique, a premium beer that came from the depths of Belgium.

Not bad for x4 at ?3.24.

Are these two statements related?

[Dogg Thang]

Sorry tig, but 'Boredom' has absolute no place in this arguement, debate, discussion. Boredom has absolutely nothing to do with anything related to this thread or those similar.

First day... "fancy going rioting?" "No, I'm busy." End of riot, problem solved.

Of course it's a factor. Just one of many. If you only look at the people and not the reasons behind the people, you could ship them to off-world penal colonies and it won't matter a damn because we'll be creating a whole new generation of them right behind them. And, with the current economic situation, there's going to be a hell of a lot more of them. Like cutting a head off a hydra.

[Team Andromeda]

Most have single parents. Single parents can be up to ?100 better off a week then a married couple, so the tax system almost forces a single parent situation. Having a kid was encouraged late 90s some of you might remember, get a free house and all that s**t, more kids more money!!!!. Cause and effect, there is no escaping it

Being a single parent has nothing what so ever to do with it imo, no should people get more money for being Married . People should only get married because they love one another and want to spend the rest of their lives together, not for tax reasons.

Boredom leads to mischief. I see it everyday in my shop, if we are quite the staff will start doing dumb stuff to keep themselves amused.

Sorry that's just an another excuse . Come and live in the Rural hills of Wales, there's not much here, there never has been. Not seen the issues of Riots rear their ugly head here . What about the poor kids in the Pre WW II era and the then in the aftermath of WW II - They pretty much had nothing and no social system to help them either, 'Some' of the Youth (because most are pretty decent) don't know how lucky they are these days, they've never had to work for anything, don't know life with out their Mobiles, Nike Airs, TV, PC's and consoles in their Bedrooms; All this while calming to have nothing and going on about Poverty

Don't come it... It's all about upbringing, respect, getting punished when you do wrong (not making excuses like I was bored ) simple things like saying please and thank you... Which seems to have escaped so many these days. Mind you, his gen is hurtful to kids for teachers to even point at them for doing wrong , because it's against their Human rights


What next. All those that didn't get the Olympic tickets should go on riots next year

[FelixofMars]

That is just your world perception talking though, I would have thought like when I was in Lincolnshire its a drive.bike to see friends. We are talking about a population heavy area where everyone lives next to one another. A group of bored teenagers can always cause a lot of trouble. I don't think that is the reason solely but its a contributor. That said I don't believe there is any one reason why there where riots just a few things that helped to catalyst it.

Sorry that's just an another excuse . Come and live in the Rural hills of Wales, there's not much here, there never has been. Not seen the issues of Riots rear their ugly head here .

[EDDIE M0NS00N]

I think you're getting the wrong end of the stick mate.
It's not an "excuse". Boredom is not an excuse to riot.

Boredom can be overcome in many, many ways, therefore ppl (not you, the rioters) who claim that they are so bored that rioting seemed like a good way of relieving that boredom are making excuses for their bad behaviour. If they were stealing food I might have a little (& I mean little) bit of sympathy for these ppl, but they are just stealing possessions which are not needed in order to live a happy life.

Sorry that's just an another excuse . Come and live in the Rural hills of Wales, there's not much here, there never has been. Not seen the issues of Riots rear their ugly head here .

Exactly right my friend, cos I too live in a small town here in S Wales & due to my arsehole of a father we had very little money. We find/found things to do, & you'd be surprised what there is to do for free.


If we can find stuff to do then why cant ppl who live in a big city with more at their feet find something to do? If the attitude among ppl is "its not enough, I want more" then they have been spoilt in some way.

As has been said kids these days seem to have plenty more options given to them, along possessions, which only a very few had the privelege of when I was a nipper, but it doesnt seem to be enough anymore. Maybe the parents & society is somewhat to blame, but its almost like watching a bunch of kids going off in a huff then losing their temper, just cos they couldnt get what they want

[Team Andromeda]

The North East is a population heavy area, so are parts of Scotland and like parts of Wales they some of the poorest parts of the Country, yet it didn't kick off in these area's.

It's endless excuses for these Scum .. It's always somebody else fault, never the individual to blame.


Wales and the like used to be over heavily populated during the Rush for Coal, where there was serious poverty around in those days , but I don't remember the kids of that gen going on Riots and they never had money. How poor and how little did the people have in the 1930's in the 'Great Depression' never mind in those days you slept 4 to a bed. So sick of these endless bull**** excuses for the Scum that rioted on the streets of London . Scum that are better off and had more than Kids of the 40's, 50's 60, 70's ever had... That's the trouble they have far too much, for doing nothing and far too many rights to know what do with

Ungrateful criminal bastards is what they are, nothing more nothing less.

[randombs]

I think a lot of this was caused by boredom(not as an excuse). The issue is what you do to satiate that boredom. Some people draw, others play games, some might throw tantrums are be a bit naughty. I just reckon a lot of these rioters were so messed up in the head that they decided rioting is somehow a fun and exciting way to waste some time.

If their idea of a good time was doing backflips off bus stops then that's what we'd be seeing on the telly. Instead it's a furniture shop being burnt to the ground, and I think it's because there are a HECK of a lot of people who have grown up with no regard for basic morals.

I don't think trying to find reasons for this is somehow justifying it. I think finding reasons is exactly the thing we should be doing. How else are we going to try and prevent or at least quickly subdue something like this in the future? Either we find out why or instead rely on police tactics next time and get stuck asking why while the riots are actually going on like we're doing at the moment.

Did anyone see David Starkey on Newsnight last night?

[Team Andromeda]

Exactly right my friend, cos I too live in a small town here in S Wales & due to my arsehole of a father we had very little money. We find/found things to do, & you'd be surprised what there is to do for free.

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Yes I may make my brother feel old (he's way older than me) and poor, But he only had what little my mother and father could afford at the time Having a TV in your bedroom was something only the Rich had - (forget about phones PC's Video games in your bedroom (which all these scum have) Hell the main downstairs TV only had BBC for 6 hrs a day and ITV for 4 (Such was the joys of Rural Welsh TV signals) Jobs were hard to come by (always have been since the death of the Pits inthe 60's) and there really isn't much to do it this day and age, never mind my brothers, there poverty all around the Ex mining villages of S.Wales ... But I don't see the kids feeling they need to riot around here , sure some of them may spend their lives on Benefits some may show little respect , but at least they're not acting like some of their English counter parts in the Major streets of England.

[EDDIE M0NS00N]

Starkey ott & losing it as always, but I also dont agree with that lady that it is 'we' who is to blame by giving an image of success = money, unless she is reffering to the 'we' as being the media thru tv, music & magazines, or that the bankers have given young ppl the bad influence to riot cos they probably dont even watch the news ffs.

I really cannot stand the Jafaican accent that seems to have grown out of London tho.

['Press Start']

*sigh*

Good luck to us. I'm done with the thread.

[Dogg Thang]

Wales and the like used to be over heavily populated during the Rush for Coal, where there was serious poverty around in those days , but I don't remember the kids of that gen going on Riots and they never had money. How poor and how little did the people have in the 1930's in the 'Great Depression' never mind in those days you slept 4 to a bed. So sick of these endless bull**** excuses for the Scum that rioted on the streets of London . Scum that are better off and had more than Kids of the 40's, 50's 60, 70's ever had... That's the trouble they have far too much, for doing nothing and far too many rights to know what do with

As for why it kicked off in London, it could have something to do with London being the most unequal city in the western world - http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/ap...lth-inequality

As for why it didn't happen in the 60s and 70s, perhaps it has something to do with the rich/poor divide in the UK being greater than it was 40 years ago - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8481534.stm

This is a broken society, and the huge push on consumerism and personal entitlement (because you're worth it!) makes this world a completely different one to the eras you're bringing up. And it can get more broken - http://blogs.hbr.org/haque/2011/08/t...lintering.html

Now you may not care about the reasons or actively reject them while you rage against the looters but that's like a blind man cursing the one car that just ran him over while standing in the middle of a motorway. As Billy says, you have to look for reasons because, if you don't, you can't fix it.

Britain is in a very, very dangerous place right now.

Not only do you have the yob culture and thugs that went a-looting, you have all the divides that led to them. You have global economic problems, local economic problems and severe austerity measure that, in all likelihood, will increase those divides further. That means that the number of people below the poverty line will increase - more excluded, angry bored people and their excluded, angry bored children. The yobs can only increase greatly in number.

And now, what those people have done over the last week is make themselves the enemy. You can see it right here in this thread and this is actually one of the more balanced places. And of course the reaction of the average person is completely understandable and with very, very good reason. But it means you now have an enemy, a whole culture, in some areas - a generation, that is a part of your own society. They are Britain. A very dangerous, volatile UK. And in poor, fearful times - and that is exactly where we're at - people invite clampdowns, strength. And that usually comes in the form of extremism. Already huge amounts of people, like you TA but you're of course not alone by a long shot, are calling for erosion of human rights, others even seemingly seriously suggesting opening fire on crowds. Calling for what seems to me to be a police state where its own people are the enemy.

It was great to see people get together to protect their communities but that could soon be a society not really worth protecting.

If you're going to invoke the Great Depression as something we should be aspiring to, that just shows how absolutely buggered things are.

This is a turning point of some sort. I hope I'm wrong, I really hope I am, but this seems to be going from buggered to very, very dangerous.

*sigh*

Good luck to us.

I hear ya.