Back again with apologies to all

[Lebowski]

I think common sense dictates that second chances should be given where amends have been made and finances sorted. all is good (trade access should stay removed), as for financialy reimbursing someone for a sale not going through id draw the line at this, if your messed about more than a week WALK AWAY, if you where turning down other offers or not listing it elsewhere then more fool you.

[nakamura]

I have to agree with that. Although you can form trust bonds on these sites, more fool the person that refuses other offers after being messed around. I guess that is up to Zaki and Shozuki to sort though.

[noobish hat]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mH6O3xRGyfU

[Colin]

I demand an anonymous poll with three options.

1. Welcome back
2. **** off
3. I couldn't give a **** either way

The Bordersdown factor.

[Shozuki]

I think common sense dictates that second chances should be given where amends have been made and finances sorted then all is good (trade access should stay removed), as for financialy reimbursing someone for a sale not going through id draw the line at this, if your messed about more than a week WALK AWAY, if you where turning down other offers or not listing it elsewhere then more fool you.

Thanks for the reasonable words mate, to be honest this is all I ask.

I have to agree with that. Although you can form trust bonds on these sites, more fool the person that refuses other offers after being messed around. I guess that is up to Zaki and Shozuki to sort though.

This is why I would like to reimburse Zaki. We had many a good trade in the past, I had purchased thousands of pounds worth of games from him, thus I can completely understand why he would wait for me and expect me to pull through.

Mistakes, errors of judgement or however you would like to phrase it, I made them and am truly sorry for whatever that's worth...

[MrKirov]

Rather than make meaningless interjections Mr Kirov, why not explain exactly what you aren't satisfied with? It's all out in the open so no reason the forum can't hear all views on it. Especially from paying members.

Sorry, it was more of a thinking hmm, whereas I would reply with more thoughts later. Totally unnecessary on a forum I know, but it's a trait I have nonetheless!

I just feel uncomfortable with it all, I think I've already made my reasons clear. No matter what hardships you go through, you don't cast misfortune and actual financial loss on a community of members that he his now so desperate to show his love for. The whole thing stinks a bit to me frankly. I think your average person wouldn't turn to mugging someone in the street because of misfortune/financial difficulty - and that's essentially what he has done here- to the people he now proclaims to love so much.

The fact it was done not only here, but to eBay aswell makes me think it was a calculated turn of events, and no amount of apology will dissuade me from that. Other people may be quicker to forgive, but when you've stolen from someone who has worked hard for what they have- that's not something I can forgive easily. I just feel it's a bad element , and feel like I wouldn't want that potential within our lovely little community

The fact he's actually getting angry with me above for posting me feelings - to me- makes me think the whole repentance angle is a bit of a charade. If you know you've done wrong, and honestly want to move on, part of that is accepting that not everyone will be open to that- getting irritated and sarcastic because someone has stated it openly only tells me that nothing has been learned, and that he is unhappy that not everyone has been won over so easily.

He says he's fine with people having doubts about him, but when they are expressed in open discussion, we start getting silly comments. I also note in his original post at no point does he every say " I'm sorry I stole from people", nothing so open or honest. Instead it's all "me me me, my financial situation and my feelings" when it should be about the victims. It's just all a little bit disingenuous to me.

As a final point, to Shozuki, you have no idea what hardships I have faced in my life- but I can tell you that there has certainly been many. But I don't feel the need to blame them for my own actions as your original post seemed to be. I can tell you that never have I resorted to anything criminal to resolve them.

Anyway, I've said my piece, and don't feel a need to say anymore as it's unnecessary, and wouldn't want to be accused of bullying or anything.

[nakamura]

I'm actually fully in agreement with you Mr Kirov. I find hardship a poor reason for what happened.

However, no matter how directly or indirectly, Shozuki has stepped forward so he does gain something from that I feel.

[Shozuki]

I don't want to cause any unnecessary tension but I feel I have the right of reply.

I just feel uncomfortable with it all, I think I've already made my reasons clear. No matter what hardships you go through, you don't cast misfortune and actual financial loss on a community of members that he his now so desperate to show his love for. The whole thing stinks a bit to me frankly. I think your average person wouldn't turn to mugging someone in the street because of misfortune/financial difficulty - and that's essentially what he has done here- to the people he now proclaims to love so much.

So by making one sale and thinking I would be back to normal in order to make a purchase is the same as mugging someone on a street? To which I eventually paid the person back with a bit of compensation, not to mention I'm also planning compensation to Zaki for not buying something? Sure thats the same as mugging someone...

The fact it was done not only here, but to eBay aswell makes me think it was a calculated turn of events, and no amount of apology will dissuade me from that. Other people may be quicker to forgive, but when you've stolen from someone who has worked hard for what they have- that's not something I can forgive easily. I just feel it's a bad element , and feel like I wouldn't want that potential within our lovely little community

despite the previous hundreds of positive feedback, it was still calculated? The fact I've paid back what I owe here and eBay makes me a thief?

The fact he's actually getting angry with me above for posting me feelings - to me- makes me think the whole repentance angle is a bit of a charade. If you know you've done wrong, and honestly want to move on, part of that is accepting that not everyone will be open to that- getting irritated and sarcastic because someone has stated it openly only tells me that nothing has been learned, and that he is unhappy that not everyone has been won over so easily. He says he's fine with people having doubts about him, but when they are expressed in open discussion, we start getting silly comments. I also note in his original post at no point does he every say " I'm sorry I stole from people" instead it's all "me me me, my financial situation". It's just all a little bit disingenuous to me.

You've no idea what I've been through, lost my home, running a struggling business whilst being a full time carer and your hmm, responses and disregard for circumstances is supposed to not make me angry? You have absolutely no idea what I've been through and likewise I don't know your life either - perhaps it's best not to judge and give benefit of the doubt?

As a final point, to Shozuki, you have no idea what hardships I have faced in my life- but I can tell you that there has certainly been many. But I don't feel the need to blame them for my own actions as your original post seemed to be. I can tell you that never have I resorted to anything criminal to resolve them.

Just so I'm clear here, by owning up to my errors and reimbursing those I have done wrong to and explaining what happened is the same as blaming my circumstance? On the contrary I see it as facing it and accepting consequences, afterall I could have run and hid and not have the need for this thread or the need to pay back financially. That makes me a criminal?

Anyway, I've said my piece, and don't feel a need to say anymore as it's unnecessary, and wouldn't want to be accused of bullying or anything.

Yes, I've said mine too, feel free to label and call me as you wish.

[buster_broon]

I've met krish and he is a nice guy, been to his home and sold him thousands of pounds worth of stuff and the most recent being the Neo Geo

The only issue I ever had with krish is that we see the world differently and being individuals that's not a problem, I see family as my priority and that gives me happiness whereas krish sees finance as his main goal and in one occasion I felt like he was rubbing my nose in it because I sold a game to him (wild guns) for a good price and he doubled its value on eBay So felt he was gloating, that game ended up being one of the games that money was taken and the game wasn't sent - this has all been said between myself and krish so nothing new there but getting to my point if he is offering compensation to zaki then I feel he is trying to make amends because of how he sees the world if that makes sense

When zaki approached me in confidence asking my opinion prior to going public I did text shozuki asking what was going on and when he didn't reply I told him in no uncertain terms (politely) what he was doing wasn't a nice thing and afterwards heard about the sound wave incident as well

Being honest when I received the money for the neo geo I noticed a specific surname on my internet banking, looked at the address I was given for delivery and confronted Lord lucifer asking what was going on and Lord lucifer was straightforward to the point and told me everything which in turn I spoke to Charles and Soundwave, after a few pm's trade access was removed and I immedaitely heard from krish who told me what had happened - one thing I don't get though is the postage address, I was told it was a friends house it it looks like krish's mum signed for it or the person living there faked a signature

I felt the text was sent just to make sure I kept up my end of the deal but I had already told Charles that payment had been received and I would honour it like I would with everything else I've sold, the neo Geo deal was perfect in everyway, if I needed more for postage it was received straight way and I had to split the package into two parcels and he paid the difference so it was perfect, don't get me wrong for a couple of days I was a little worried but it was good and over all the deals we had not once was I let down in any way

Couple of good and bad points there but he has never let me down and its unprecedented for someone to come back and give such a public apology and prior to the events he was quite the embedded established member and I'm sure s few of the members was at his house prior to his illness and financial meltdown

[Colin]

That's a big point in all this Jason, trying to sneak through the back door using another user name. Had you not mentioned in the other thread that Lord Lucifer was in fact Shozuki, this thread would never have existed. It's not been done out of transparency and honesty, it has been done because he was asked to do it.

[Shozuki]

I can't win here, I wanted to come back clean and apologize as well as make good to the people I let down. I've said my peace tried to make good and if that's not enough, then fair enough. I made those errors so that's life.

[MrKirov]

Sorry, but it's just been made clear you DIDNT want to come clean through some altruistic agenda. You set up an alternate account and actually carried out a transaction BEFORE you did this. This whole discussion only exists because someone twigged on to what was happening.

Ultimately, what's your goal here? Do you wish to regain access to the trade forum?

[Shozuki]

Sorry, but it's just been made clear you DIDNT want to come clean through some altruistic agenda. You set up an alternate account and actually carried out a transaction BEFORE you did this. This whole charade only exists because someone twigged on to what was happening.

Ultimately, what's your goal here? Do you wish to regain access to the trade forum?

You've said it youself, no one gets this chance. So when I offered I was more then happy. I had already made good on eBay and with Soundwave long before I had this chance.

It's not about sales forum, I just wanted to talk about games here, nothing more. Yes I made another account, I just wanted to do what I used to enjoy. All I've done is buy something and make posts about games.

If that's an issue and my intentions have been misread. Ban me again, I made the mistakes as I've said many times before and deserve nothing less.

All I ask is for people to realise I'm airing my dirty laundry in public, it's rather worrying for me but I had hoped people would see my side of the story.

I have nothing to gain paying people compensation and getting accused of being a criminal. I wasn't expecting for all to welcome me back, but some comments are rather hurtful to me, more so I realised they could be.

I don't know what else to say...

[speedlolita]

For whatever reason (kindness?) charlesr has allowed Shozuki to return here. The criteria to be met for this to happen is the removal of his access to the trade forum, for obvious reasons. I'd much prefer this than the charade of another account name.

[nakamura]

I'd much prefer this than the charade of another account name.

The real Shozuki.