Tomorrow's vote will not be the third meaningful vote, ergo it'll be the dozenth meaningless one instead. May now clearly looking to use it to undermine objection to her deal by isolating the political declaration whilst using the result, if favourable, to get the EU to agree to another Brexit extension till 22 May.
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Tomorrow's vote will not be the third meaningful vote, ergo it'll be the dozenth meaningless one instead. May now clearly looking to use it to undermine objection to her deal by isolating the political declaration whilst using the result, if favourable, to get the EU to agree to another Brexit extension till 22 May.
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Looks like Labour is setting out its stall early that they'll still vote the MV2.5 down
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Originally posted by Dogg Thang View PostIt's madness. And can there be any real person who would honestly support Rees-Mogg? I would have thought maybe four of his old classmates would support him and after that I'm struggling to see why anyone else would.
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Originally posted by Protocol Penguin View Postthe toff image he uses and projects is very appealing to a lot of British people.
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Originally posted by Dogg Thang View PostReally? Maybe I'm just showing my own biases here because that would be hugely off-putting for me. There is no way a man like that could relate to someone like me or, as far as I can see, most of the normal people in the country. He also seems to be an actual idiot, like Boris before him. I'm sure Mogg would be highly entertaining on Have I Got News For You, just like Boris, but I wouldn't trust either of them to order me a pizza without ending up with one with mushrooms or something on it.
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I honestly don't know why May is pushing for MV2.5 now as it solves nothing except buy 4 weeks for events to implode. Labours not been baited and have ruled out support, so have the DUP meaning the ERG falls in line against it also meaning... it's dead. I don't think... he says... there's any possible way for May to push a fourth time and surely a May 22 deadline is useless anyway as long as no-one will vote in favour of the political declaration that's needed.
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Originally posted by Dogg Thang View PostReally? Maybe I'm just showing my own biases here because that would be hugely off-putting for me. There is no way a man like that could relate to someone like me or, as far as I can see, most of the normal people in the country. He also seems to be an actual idiot, like Boris before him. I'm sure Mogg would be highly entertaining on Have I Got News For You, just like Boris,
The reason so many people like him, is simply because they've had enough of modern politicians and politics in general. People feel that most politicians are two-faced -- and that society has become far too politicised. It's got to the point where many people feel that the people in power are totally detached from the reality of the common man -- and also have no interest in the real life concerns of millions of people. It can feel like pleading with people in ivory towers to listen.
I think all the support for people like Farage, Johnson, and Mogg is down to people being desperate to find politicians who seem to be straight talking, honest, and to some degree in touch with reality. Lots of people genuinely feel that Farage and Mogg are more trustworthy than most people in politics.
I have listened to Farage and Mogg quite a bit, but I have little faith in them. I don't think they will ever put the needs of the people above their own desires. So I doubt they'll become true leaders that could do a great job for the UK.
The only politician that I really think made total sense and actually cared about the common man, was Tony Benn. But as usual, he was ridiculed as an 'eccentric' by the political elite. I don't think there's any way to create positive change when the system is so corrupt and full of career politicians who don't really care about society and the needs of the people who have to live in grim reality.Last edited by Leon Retro; 28-03-2019, 20:50.
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