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Originally posted by charlesr View PostThe one that was going to be super easy to negotiate because the EU needs us more than we need them
You really think they are capable of carrying out something like article 50? They are absolutely not in anyway.
The population should be looking at criminal charges and serious prison time for all involved in
A: triggering the referendum in the first place on false pretences.
B: not having a plan if referendum went exit.
C: not having or carrying out a properly vetted plan now we have voted exit.
Politicians need actual accountability for their actions. Maybe some hard prison time to the s**t stirrers in office will get rid of the time wasters and get the country back on track to being led properly.Last edited by fishbowlhead; 13-09-2018, 08:59.
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Here's an interesting egg fact.
One of the fun side effects of leaving the EU without a trade agreement and following WTO rules is that export / import quotas begin to apply.
The UK exports 147 million eggs to the EU per year and is unrestricted in number because quotas don't apply to us being part of the EU (they only apply to third countries).
The quota before tariffs apply is 114,669 eggs, which means, extrapolated for time across the year on those 147 million exports, the UK would use up the quota for the entire EU in 7 hours. After that a tariff of 30.40 EUR per 100 KG applies.
That means our egg exports won't be economical anymore because they'll be far more expensive to purchase in the EU. Essentially our egg farmers won't be able to export to its current major market the day after leaving the EU without a trade deal.
You probably now want to ask yourself, what other hidden quotas are going to impact on the viability of our current exports to the EU.
Other foodie things with quota limits include
Cereals
Fruits and vegetables
Wine and spirits
Sugar
Oilseeds, protein crops and rice
Hops
Seeds
Potatoes
Cotton
Bananas
Live plants and flowers
Tobacco
Milk and milk products
Beef and veal
Sheepmeat and goatmeat
Pigmeat
Poultrymeat
Honey and beekeepingLast edited by MartyG; 13-09-2018, 08:07.
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Originally posted by fishbowlhead View PostPoliticians need to actual accountability for their actions. Maybe some hard prison time to the s**t stirrers in office will get rid of the time wasters and get the country back on track to being led properly.
People are sick of "the bus" as an example but it's just an isolated case. The other one is Nick Clegg accepting the deputy-PM role when one of his biggest supporter-bases voted for him on the student loans thing; I can't believe how shameless the guy was. He should've faced some kind of penalty.
Our system of government is broken. No-one will ever stand up for accountability because they have to convince the people who are to be held accountable.
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Originally posted by Asura View PostThe other one is Nick Clegg accepting the deputy-PM role when one of his biggest supporter-bases voted for him on the student loans thing; I can't believe how shameless the guy was. He should've faced some kind of penalty..
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Originally posted by Asura View Post
Our system of government is broken. No-one will ever stand up for accountability because they have to convince the people who are to be held accountable.
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Originally posted by fishbowlhead View PostPoliticians need to actual accountability for their actions. Maybe some hard prison time to the s**t stirrers in office will get rid of the time wasters and get the country back on track to being led properly.
The news was describing the 10 year anniversary of the 2008 financial meltdown. Were any of those responsible punished? No. And who suffered? Only the common proles and workers. The bankers and politicians always have contingency plans so they never have to worry about the crap hitting the fan. Reese-Mogg is so minted the entire country could burn to the ground and he'd still have fois-gras stuck in his teeth.
Hang them for lying. Hang them all. Once half the party is swinging, I guarantee you, every other politician will be too terrified to step out of line, and only the truly dedicated would even consider stepping up to the plate to govern.
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Originally posted by MartyG View PostThe promises made by Nick Clegg were under a Liberal Democrat government in a Liberal Democrat manifesto. There was never a Liberal Democrat government.
When asked by the Conservatives, the LD's answer should've been simple:
"Here's our manifesto. People voted for it. We accept going into coalition on the condition that you take it on board. Otherwise we're acting against our own voters and we find that unacceptable."
Then let the Tories go it alone with a minority government, because that's ultimately what people voted for.
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Not really - how can a political party enforce its manifesto in a coalition? It has to draw up compromises and that's the problem.
The issue wasn't the promises, but entering into a coalition in the first place. If anything, the worst of the Conservative party policy was held back by the LibDems whilst in coalition as demonstrable by the current executive.Last edited by MartyG; 13-09-2018, 08:39.
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Originally posted by MartyG View PostNot really - how can a political party enforce its manifesto in a coalition? It has to draw up compromises and that's the problem.
The issue wasn't the promises, but entering into a coalition in the first place. If anything, the worst of the Conservative party policy was held back by the LibDems whilst in coalition as demonstrable by the current executive.
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Originally posted by MartyG View PostBecause you don't vote for a political party, you vote for your MP to represent you.
I am over simplifying obviously, but you get my point.
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Originally posted by fishbowlhead View PostErr no, in a general election you vote for a particular party, there's no (do what you all want) option. You vote for a party and that party who wins is in charge, its a simple system really, yet they all decide to go against that and simply do as they please.
I am over simplifying obviously, but you get my point.
An MP's vote in parliament may not even necessarily be along party lines as an MP has three lines along which he gives his vote on policy proposed by the government: country, constituency and party (and it should be in that order), then he may have a personal view that influences his vote.
If a political party has enough MPs elected from the various constituencies, they then go to the Queen to ask her permission to form a government.
Maybe your reason for voting for your MP of choice is the political party he belongs to, but that is not technically what you are voting for,Last edited by MartyG; 13-09-2018, 10:00.
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