America III: Going Deutsche

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/07/donald-trump-capitol-attack-video-new-administration

No doubt suddenly panicked and desperate to maintain his remaining 12 days in office, ability to run for office again and opportunity to issue a raft of pardons Trump suddenly u-turns and decries the riots in DC. As is the norm Trump used the opportunity to also lie about sending federal law enforcement to end the protests. With Pence refusing to pursue the 25th Amendment eyes will turn to the Democrats to begin the Second Impeachment proceedings.

[Cassius_Smoke]

I wasn't aware if this but it seems trump signed an executive order last year that said anyone that damages federal property gets an automatic 10 years in prison.

[Neon Ignition]

As the primary cause of the damage to the capitol building I'd happily see that applied to him

[Asura]

I'm unimpressed with the BBC running an article today called "The US Air Force Veteran who lost her life during the riots".

I'm not so ghoulish to say that we shouldn't mourn the death of anyone, save for genuine out-and-out war criminals, and I have genuine sympathy for this person's family. Also the article itself is quite good as it's about the dangers of conspiracy theories (her recent Twitter shows a descent into madness; it's really quite sad). However, I do feel as though the sympathetic, nice, smiling picture of her paired up with the headline is tone-deaf of the Beeb.

[MartyG]

Pressumable she wouldn't have been shot if she hadn't broken into the Capitol building and starting smashing the place up, causing the people inside to fear for their lives.

[nonny]

Pressumable she wouldn't have been shot if she hadn't broken into the Capitol building and starting smashing the place up, causing the people inside to fear for their lives.

Precisely. I saw that headline on the BBC and I shook my head... tone-deaf sums it up nicely.

[saif]

Tone deaf is incredibly kind - lending this an air of passive error. These guys work in the media and have definitely seen the hundreds of comparisons that people have done of the differing representations of this stuff through the prism of race. To then do the headline like that *after* all those comments which have been going for years is not negligence. They are trying to set the tone. It is not incompetence, it is the aim.

[MartyG]

To then do the headline like that *after* all those comments which have been going for years is not negligence. They are trying to set the tone. It is not incompetence, it is the aim.

The article itself isn't particularly sympathetic to the woman and they've now changed the headline. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

[fishbowlhead]

Obama even sneezed in-front of the sennet and there were eyebrows raised. Old and white though? You can literally incite a Coup and get away with it clean as a whistle.

Cool. Cool.

[saif]

The article itself isn't particularly sympathetic to the woman and they've now changed the headline. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

As journalists always say, the headline is separate to the article. The headline was decided on, and it would be odd to think that the person who wrote it was not aware of the comparisons. The headline was changed because it was inappropriate, but it was inappropriate before. Nothing changed in between - they wrote what was expected of them. People that work in the news know this as it is what they spend their days doing.
I'm gonna stick with malice on a headline for a non-breaking news story.

[MartyG]

Yeah, okay, the BBC has a pro-Trump agenda for some reason

[Dogg Thang]

You don’t need to have a pro-Trump agenda to be guilty of either personal or institutional racism.

[MartyG]

Sorry, but I'm failing to see any racism, institutional or otherwise in the article or headline - I think people really are reading a bit too much into this. The headline was factually correct, the article lays out the events that happened - it isn't an opinion piece.

Would people have been happier if it was "white female thug smashes US window and gets shot"?

[Dogg Thang]

I’m not saying there was malice, Marty, but the reality is that some headlines read kinder than others and it’s easy to pick out when that happens. Being factually correct doesn’t rule out a very clear point of view and deep rooted prejudices.

[Cepp]

No sympathy for that women or any of them frankly. Can only imagine what they would have done had they actually got their hands on senators. You guys see the picture of "protestors" with specialist handcuff zipties? Chants of "hang Mike Pence", pipe bombs...

These people get treated with kid gloves. I wouldn't give the BBC the benefit of the doubt personally.