May and Corbyn's attempt to cheat their way through Brexit by defying all others and coming up with their own frankenstein's monster of a deal is starting to collapse as over a hundred MPs revolt against the two party leaders demanding that absolutely any outcome for Brexit must now go to a referendum in light of the collapse in support of the two parties at the local elections. Both sides are now vowing to collapse support of a deal that the other side supports, maintaining the stalemate. Countdown till both are gone...
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May and Corbyn's attempt to cheat their way through Brexit by defying all others and coming up with their own frankenstein's monster of a deal is starting to collapse as over a hundred MPs revolt against the two party leaders demanding that absolutely any outcome for Brexit must now go to a referendum in light of the collapse in support of the two parties at the local elections. Both sides are now vowing to collapse support of a deal that the other side supports, maintaining the stalemate. Countdown till both are gone...
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May is said to have begun planning in case Parliament forces her to hold a second referendum
Meanwhile the crux of Corbyn and May's plan seems to be that it will involve a renamed Customs Union that Corbyn can sell to Labour as a Tory cave-in and lasts until the next general election in 2022. The trouble here is that it:
A-Infers neither party will adhere to the terms
B-Relies on a GE not happening beforehand
C-Shows Corbyn is plotting to manipulate his own party to align with May
D-Creates an unsupportable position for most Tories
E-Is incredibly unlikely to hold enough support to proceed
F-Relies heavily on both parties reshaping Brexit post 2022 which isn't feasible and is a false promise to members and the public
May has been reportedly told that the party will move to remove her from post immediately if she agrees a deal with Corbyn,
Meanwhile Farage bleats on about the Brexit Party, continuing the most obvious con in years.Last edited by Neon Ignition; 07-05-2019, 10:57.
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Donald Tusk says he gives a 30% chance of Brexit being cancelled. He says there's good reason to believe a second referendum would see Remain win but the current chances rest on the likelihood of a second vote happening at all. He says another referendum on membership is justifiable because the 2016 vote was itself the second referendum the British public had had on the matter so precedent is set that repeated votes aren't undemocratic.
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And if the next referendum is remain, the leavers will call for the next-next referendum. This is the danger of running government by plebiscite, it represents a perfect way for politicians to be seen to appeal to the public while abnegating all real responsibility for guiding the country, which they are elected to do. For politicians into this approach it's a win-win, though..
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Watson lines up with Starmar to try and wrestle Labour into a Remain focused direction despite the party and Corbyn's recent fence sitting attempts.
Rolling coverage of the day’s political developments as they happen as the government/Labour cross-party Brexit talks resume
Meanwhile Rees-Mogg backs up speculation that Tory Activists are planning to vote for the Brexit Party and George Osborne says those who want No Deal will have only one way of possibly getting their preferred outcome - a second referendum
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Rolling coverage of the day’s political developments as they happen as the government/Labour cross-party Brexit talks resume
Another sign of how dangerous the upcoming election is to the Brexit process mindset.
The Brexit Party (which doesn't actually have any policies or a manifesto beyond 'make Brexit happen') is being pitched at gaining 34% of the votes in the European elections, by far the most. It's a false picture though as they're the only pro-leave party bar the Tories. Add the two together and you get 44% along with 3% from UKIP giving 47% of voting in favour of Brexit parties.
For remain the votes are split amongst many more parties with actual policies and histories involved. Adding them together though comes to 31%... Labour being the problem. If it weren't for dead man walking Corbyn it's increasingly clear the party would be pro remain which would boost the share up to 47% not counting any potential boost taking a stance might have showing opinions are still split but Brexit Party represents a protest vote and nothing more.
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May faces increasing pressure to drop cross party talks and to stop wasting time
Rolling coverage of the day’s political developments as they happen, including reaction to the meeting between the prime minister and Jeremy Corbyn
A Senior Tory has recommended the Tories hold a General Election and form a pact with the Brexit Party to make sure all the worst elements of the debate stay on board.
Boris is still the favourite to win a leadership contest for the Conservatives and has said that if May agreed a customs union with Labour he would not be required to honour that deal.
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Rolling coverage of the day’s political developments as they happen, including reaction to the meeting between the prime minister and Jeremy Corbyn
-Cabinet sets a Summer Recess deadline for passing a Brexit deal
-Labour's McDonnell says Boris's promise to break any negotiated deal make sit hard for Labour to agree one now and makes the case for a Second Referendum stronger in which case the options should be between the best available deal and Remain
-Jeremy Hunt embarrasses himself by failing to hide his desire to be PM whilst also failing to make any clear cohesive answer on Brexit
-Financial Times reports that "Labour is planning to nationalise Britain’s energy networks at below market value, and would do so shortly after winning a general election. A new Labour party paper said shareholders would be compensated, but not necessarily at market prices, and Corbyn will reportedly outline the plans on Thursday. Deductions would be made to take account of “asset stripping since privatisation”, state subsidies since the 1980s and pension fund deficits, according to the FT."
-The 4th Meaningful Vote for May will take place Week Commencing 4 June whilst Trump is over here. As yet the deal remains exactly the same.
-Labour sources say that there is no chance of May gaining the support she needs for MV4 to be successful
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