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Originally posted by Cassius_Smoke View PostI'd love to be a fly on the wall for these talks. I can't even imagine whats being said.
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It's almost genuinely exhausting to see this all play out. The EU will have granted two extensions despite the UK having presented no plan whatsoever for what to do with the time it's given contrary to what the EU originally said. The momentum towards an indicative plan of motions has coasted to a stop, May's deal is perpetually dead, the cross party deal is impossible to agree on or to implement as it meets none of the Remain or Leave criteria for voting and so neither party can endorse it without betraying and destroying their own parties (yet they still waste day after day on it).
The UK is constantly scrutinising every single syllable and moment in an effort to find a magical get out clause to the situation and aren't even engaged with the EU over the matter anymore. They aren't even seriously looking at the issues that led to the impass anymore either, they're so heavily off course and haven't even stuck their heads up to look around and realise it.
No deal can pass with enough support to get through and hold together in phase two without destroying one or both parties. Likewise no-one will allow No Deal to happen if they can avoid it also.
That leaves Remain and.... well...
So burnt out waiting for them to realise that they only have two realistic options:
Remain
Public Vote
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Rolling coverage of the day’s political developments as they happen, including Theresa May’s talks with Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron, and MPs debating how long the article 50 extension should be
Barnier says that to get an extension to A50 the UK needs to present a realistic roadmap to Brexit but whatever plan we submit has to end at the existing Withdrawal Agreement. He says changes to the Political Declaration are possible but the WA is a closed subject as is any attempt to pick and choose between the EU's 4 freedoms (bye bye crossparty deal).
He ends by saying a No Deal outcome is not the responsibility of the EU. The UK has all the means it needs to avoid No Deal - Revoking Article 50
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Originally posted by QualityChimp View PostPart of me wants to see the world burn and let the people still shouting "Out means out! No deal!" get their way.
They'll still be in denial when we're in recession - "Yes, but I love the delicious taste of British Rat, seasoned with proper English soil!"
Both the public and government appear to be a roving troop of Baldricks at this stage.
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Rolling coverage of the day’s political developments as they happen, including Theresa May’s talks with Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron, and MPs debating how long the article 50 extension should be
The UK is likely to be offered a final A50 extension lasting till 31 December 2019. An extension further than this was shut down because the UK has so poorly explained what it will do with the time to end the current situation. As this would be the final move any decision regarding a second referendum or general election would have to move fast.
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Though a controversial point of reference now, R Kelly once sang 'If I could turn, turn back the hands of time'
Reflective for Kelly but practical for Tusk as he undoes the last six months worth of naval gazing in by UK MP's by helping the EU27 secure a new Brexit deadline
31 October 2019
He tells May not to waste the time as she still intends to try and get her deal through before the end of June. May attempted to avoid blame for the UK remaining in the EU by once again blaming MP's. Tusk even added that extending A50 by another 6 months gave the UK the time to come to the idea of cancelling Brexit altogether. May has effectively reaffirmed that she will step down as PM but not until the current deal situation is concluded meaning that every extension extends her tenure as well.
The 6 months extension is said to be controversial for the Tories as well. It's longer than May had originally assured which angers hardline Brexiteers but is also too short for them to remove her as PM and to replace her with someone who can change the current Brexit direction. They also cannot make any of these changes to attempt a credible General Election approach also meaning that the EU27 have effectively just ruled out the GE for the whole of 2019 for the UK, further strengthening the argument in favour of a second referendum.
In a rare turn of events, the British prime minister was not the most irritating EU leader at the summit table
For once though, amongst the European leaders, it wasn't May that was considered 'prat of the night'. That award went to the ever dislikeable Macron who continued his hardline approach to the issue due to his personal political ambitions.
The state of Brexit will be reviewed formally in June by May and the EU27 but an EU diplomat highlighted how this is redundant as if any country such as France attempted to use the review to push for a negative outcome for the UK based on its progress that attempt would fail as until the UK leaves the EU it retains its veto powers and can outright kill off any such attempt.
What May will do now becomes the next key moment in the Brexit shambles. She is still keen on pushing some form of her deal forward but she has gotten this far by leveraging it against an imminent deadline. With that deadline shifted far enough back that it makes key alternatives such as a second public vote viable MP's have no need to buckle to her deal at all meaning the withdrawal agreement she holds is still dead.
FRENCH president Emmanuel Macron’s leadership in Brussels is hanging by a thread after Marine Le Pen’s far-right party called on Europe-wide voters to use the EU elections to force the 41-year-old out due to a complete loss of confidence in the young President.
Macron himself is facing trouble in the EU elections from a domestic source as Le Pen's group has called on people to use it as an opportunity to vote against Macron and to rob him of his influence in the EU block, a move that if successful would make the President furious especially as last month he hit an all time approval rating low of an abysmal 27%
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