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    Everybody should just quit complaining and just let all our jobs gets automated or worked by temps on zero-hour contracts or we die of polio.

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        Originally posted by Neon Ignition View Post
        A lot of it will be COVID, now that companies have seen how easily things can turn on them it highlighted how staff costs are one of the biggest burdens. Really, a lot of people are employed in roles that don't require humans to do the task so for a private company there's no negative to removing that risk factor. Everybody wants more money and job security, especially now during the cost crisis and in the face of a recession, but to Aviva I imagine that sounds like them wanting their cake and to eat it too.

        Like with companies such as Amazon, they're not just posting huge profits but also coming out with multiple delivery methods that they privately own and control. The end result will be a drop in millions upon millions of deliveries by Royal Mail = staff cuts. It's not something that the operators can turn to staff and say 'you will never be fired' about which is one of the reasons all these strikes will flounder.

        Teachers are in a different boat, like Nurses and Doctors, they will likely get more traction but everyone else will be spending late 2023 onward hoping they keep the jobs and pay they currently have.




        The UK finally sends one of its unwanted individuals to Rwanda... sadly he's got to be back later on to 'run the country'
        It's not sustainable though if everyone took this route and chose maximizing profit by minimizing staff the economy wouldn't survive without some sort of universal basic income.

        Our entire economy is based on consumption, if we end up with mass unemployment and a society that can only afford the basics then you loose all non essential business. Places can only remain open as long as people have money to spend in them, so you start a domino effect taking more and more business until you end up with complete collapse. The double whammy of a massive loss of tax income plus also having to support these people in a society feels more and more like where we are heading.
        Last edited by Lebowski; 23-06-2022, 10:43.

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          This is fine, everything is ok.

          Edit. This was at the pictures not Lebowski.

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            it feels like this is most of the UK right now the National Apathy to everything that's gone on this last few years always surprises me.

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              Originally posted by Lebowski View Post
              It's not sustainable though if everyone took this route and chose maximizing profit by minimizing staff the economy wouldn't survive without some sort of universal basic income.

              Our entire economy is based on consumption, if we end up with mass unemployment and a society that can only afford the basics then you loose all non essential business. Places can only remain open as long as people have money to spend in them, so you start a domino effect taking more and more business until you end up with complete collapse. The double whammy of a massive loss of tax income plus also having to support these people in a society feels more and more like where we are heading.
              Absolutely. We had a decorator booked but had to cancel because we can't afford to get it done. That's one less job for the decorator, and we probably aren't the only one. It starts small like this and gradually progresses.

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                Originally posted by Lebowski View Post
                It's not sustainable though if everyone took this route and chose maximizing profit by minimizing staff the economy wouldn't survive without some sort of universal basic income.

                Our entire economy is based on consumption, if we end up with mass unemployment and a society that can only afford the basics then you loose all non essential business. Places can only remain open as long as people have money to spend in them, so you start a domino effect taking more and more business until you end up with complete collapse. The double whammy of a massive loss of tax income plus also having to support these people in a society feels more and more like where we are heading.

                Completely, the trouble is though that the way things are set up is that the head of one company doesn't care one jot about the state of the economy. Their sole focus is on the profitability of the company they currently oversee. Cut staff, improve profitability, cash in the salary and millions in bonuses, step down after a short few years and move to another company - rinse and repeat. The people in charge of Government are the same people subscribing and profiteering from this very practice. Any problems down the road are another manager or Prime Ministers problem to deal with from their perspective. It's the same reason why climate change has moved so slow, the gains are too far away for the current leaders to benefit from.

                That's before even getting near the international impacts and influences too, why 'let's just grow our own' isn't a realistic response to food shortages etc. In effect it's a problem that's been decades in the making and Russia & COVID have been the things to finally tip the system over the edge.

                For the UK the only, only possible slight way there might be some change to navigate the issues is to get the Tories out

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                  a good time to Hoilday in the uk then, with all the upheaval and strikes

                  Now is the summer of our discount Tents
                  has never felt so apt.

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                    I just read that in Japan a bus service went on strike. But they continued to work and just refused to take any money from passengers. That would apply some real pressure. Can't replace the staff coz they are in the seats, but still losing money. Losing more money in fact because its using fuel.

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                      Originally posted by Lebowski View Post
                      It's not sustainable though if everyone took this route and chose maximizing profit by minimizing staff the economy wouldn't survive without some sort of universal basic income.

                      Our entire economy is based on consumption, if we end up with mass unemployment and a society that can only afford the basics then you loose all non essential business. Places can only remain open as long as people have money to spend in them, so you start a domino effect taking more and more business until you end up with complete collapse. The double whammy of a massive loss of tax income plus also having to support these people in a society feels more and more like where we are heading.
                      The country needs to go back to manufacturing and being self sustainable (well as much as is physically possible anyway), making things for itself and exporting, if investment is made back into grass roots manufacturing it pays for itself 10x over in the long run with more jobs and those employees paying taxes and spending money. New industrial estates first need to be built, then target sectors the country is deficient in making and exporting (pretty much everything so that wont be hard), then get grants set up so small businesses can expand and be able to actually buy these factories, the new industrial estates need to be hardline banned from investment groups & people already with money buying them all up.

                      Absolutely none of that will ever happen, the gov is far more concerned with keeping London the centre of the universe and all the nonsense traders happy.

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                        Originally posted by Neon Ignition View Post
                        https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...84ca4cac9baecd
                        Heathrow Airport will be the next to strike
                        That's a shocking read.

                        BA have a "fire and rehire" practice after massive losses during the pandemic.
                        When the staff were rehired, they lost all of the benefits from before.
                        They're offering a one-off bonus of 10%, then it's back to normal.

                        If you're worried about their poor, long-suffering employers, fret-ye-not!
                        "The union also pointed out that bosses’ pay had returned to pre-pandemic levels, and the chief executive of BA’s parent company IAG, Luis Gallego, is in line for a £4.9m payout this year if he hits all his targets."

                        Phew, they're okay!

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                          Plenty of good clips of Mick Lynch doing the rounds on the TV circuit yesterday, articulately and firmly cutting through a lot of the nonsense being parroted about the strikes. Simultaneously though, very disappointing in light of the current Labour party leadership and the total lack of backbone.

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                            Yeah. I've been enjoying him. I wish the university strikes had been covered by the media in this same hysterical frenzy - or covered at all. In the event we were totally ignored, no-one gave a ticker's cuss, and we got bummed in the gob by the employers again. Anyway, I hope people can start to see this and the other strikes (teachers, airports) as a verdict on 12 years of Tory misrule. A good old fashioned General Strike would help underline the point.

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                              I was worried there for a min the BA execs wouldn’t be able to afford their new yachts, thats a relief.

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