UK IX: This Economy Will Self-Destruct In...

[prinnysquad]

I think his social and economic policies still make a lot of sense to a lot of people.

We live in a Britain where the establishment default is right wing. The scandalous profiteering taking place in infrastructure is a national disgrace. Other countries around the globe have nationalised key services and infrastructure, but somehow, in this country, it’s become a dirty word. Someone in, say, Norway wouldn’t bat an eyelid at Corbyn’s economic policies. To them they’re the sensible views of a social democrat. Here, they’re mercilessly slaughtered as ‘extreme left’ and ‘loony’ by a media bewitched by the 1980s experiment. That experiment being: if your nation owns it, then sell it to your mates. As a sideline, taking back control would, in its true patriotic sense, mean re-nationalising so many services and industries screwed up by the private sector. Your average Daily Fail reader doesn’t see this discrepancy, though. They want to be independent and take back control WHILE getting shafted by (often foreign) governments and countries. Yep, that’s right folks. Loads of our rail and energy sectors are owned by foreign governments, often to subsidise their own. So nationalisation is a taboo in the press here, and the re-aligned Overton Window politicians who suck the shift to the Right like a teat. But it’s ok if the nationalised industries of our neighbours/rivals own our stuff, innit?

People rightly see this as indefensible and contradictory madness, and they look at his ideas, and they think, that’s GOT to be a better alternative. And if not, it’s at least worth a try, because this crap show we have now is slowly destroying the nation, and the politicians and their media masters are too pissweak to challenge that failed orthodoxy. That’s why he still garners so much support. Many can’t separate his fitness to lead from his economic policies, that’s the issue.

[Neon Ignition]

That's been Labours issue. The benches will be full of MP's with key strengths but few with the rounded set of skills to lead, Corbyn's supporters are so fixated on the elements that they like that they fought against the reality that he was unfit for the top job. Any success Labour has enjoyed post-Blair has been too based on the popularity of the Tories rather than on their own merit. Starmar seems to understand that there's a difference between party ideals and what will actually get you into power but he lacks the appeal, personality and right mindset to get Labour where it needs to be without jettisoning too much of what makes the party Labour. They're still in a position where any chance they have is based on how unpopular the Tories have made themselves. Labour might call the Tories out for self-harming but Labour has been at it for years before them. Very much a coalition or bust scenario incoming.

[prinnysquad]

Starmer doesn’t stand for anything. He just seems to stand against stuff.

He originally got elected with a series of pledges. He understood that the party membership wanted some of the Corbyn policies continued. One of these was common ownership, which, like a weak fanny, he’s now reneged on. The time is right for the arguments such as nationalisation to be made to the swing voters. The cost of living crisis and the obscene profiteering taking place, by companies asking us to hand over more and more while they plead poverty amongst their massive dividends and profits, is fertile ground for putting arguments and principles across. He’s utterly failed to honour his own pledges and tap into this opportunity.

[Lebowski]

Starmer doesn’t stand for anything. He just seems to stand against stuff.

He originally got elected with a series of pledges. He understood that the party membership wanted some of the Corbyn policies continued. One of these was common ownership, which, like a weak fanny, he’s now reneged on. The time is right for the arguments such as nationalisation to be made to the swing voters. The cost of living crisis and the obscene profiteering taking place, by companies asking us to hand over more and more while they plead poverty amongst their massive dividends and profits, is fertile ground for putting arguments and principles across. He’s utterly failed to honour his own pledges and tap into this opportunity.

it would be a home-run for him, I'm sounding a bit like a broken record in here but take France 4% increase in energy bills, come October the UK will be at a 179% increase. the current governments plan is to give people a one off payment of £400 pounds when people are facing £400 a month bills is not a solution they should take that money and put it towards reversing privatization of UK's energy grid.

Coybyns stance on Russia is Bat**** and he needs to keep this sort of stuff to himself as it discredits and undermines all the other stuff he tried to do and helps nobody.

[Asura]

Starmar seems to understand that there's a difference between party ideals and what will actually get you into power but he lacks-

As a Labour voter, I want to finish this with "any idea of what he stands for".

I know that Labour needs to get into power, and for that, they need to compromise. Corbyn was clearly too far left; say what you want about the media but again, you have to win or it's all hot air and we've seen the country won't tolerate that.

But at the same time, if you compromise too far, you lose the whole point of what you stood for. No-one wants a red-tie-Tory.

What's his manifesto? Because it doesn't seem to involve fixing the mess of Brexit or extensive renationalisation, both which are the main issues I'm concerned about.

[prinnysquad]

I’ll never understand how Corbyn’s economic policies are far left, because they’ve been introduced in capitalist states elsewhere. But, it’s clear that Starmer has completely missed the opportunity to position himself as ‘for the people’, rather than the status quo, which is very much the opposite in this country.

[Golgo]

^ He's clearly obsessed to the point of monomania with not getting the party trapped in the 'loony leftie' category in any way, shape or form. The effectiveness with which the Tories exploited the narrative of the commie bogeyman with Corbyn was a hard lesson. This is a particularly touchy period to get tarred with that brush as well, given the ongoing strikes and likelihood of them spreading - support the strikes, then get portrayed as not caring about the disruption caused to the 'Great British Publics' etc., which the Daily Filth would hammer. But I agree that Starmer's going way too far to avoid that and losing opportunities to properly put the shoe in and lay out plans for significant change.

[prinnysquad]

You gotta hate the stupidity of anyone who’s desperate to protect the way they’re being exploited and dumped on, in a kamikaze race to the bottom. All such attitudes could be effectively challenged by The Silent Knight, but instead it’s up to Mick Lynch and Eddie Dempsey to put forward the common sense view.

[Neon Ignition]

Yep, it worked for the first year or so where Corbyn's stain needing cleansing from the party but once that tough love period was done he needed to establish a new direction for the party and never has

[Asura]

You gotta hate the stupidity of anyone who’s desperate to protect the way they’re being exploited and dumped on, in a kamikaze race to the bottom. All such attitudes could be effectively challenged by The Silent Knight

As opposed to Greg Knight?

[Hirst]

Starmer is like a weak milquetoast accountant type who consistently misses almost every opportunity to stick the boot in on an enormously unpopular government. He seems completely unable to read the way public opinion is going and just exists as a nearly invisible force that people who don't follow politics are probably barely aware even exists. He's like a supermarket-brand Tony Blair, years after anyone liked him.

We're in a position now where people who haven't particularly struggled that much are living in raw panic, wondering how the hell they are going to get the next few months. There's strikes going on all over the place that are enjoying quite a lot of public support in spite of aggressive opposition from the newspapers. Every other day there's some firm that is charging customers insane money for required services announcing record profits and dividends whilst simultaneously refusing to pay their staff. If things keep going as they are, I think there could well be some kind of revolution regardless of what politicians do - widespread non-payment of any bills, prolonged strikes, company bosses under siege in their homes.

I want a Labour leader who isn't like a background character, I want somebody who is absolutely fuming about everything and not afraid to show it. The tide has turned and if a political party doesn't get behind it, they will be swept away by it.

[Asura]

I want a Labour leader who isn't like a background character, I want somebody who is absolutely fuming about everything and not afraid to show it. The tide has turned and if a political party doesn't get behind it, they will be swept away by it.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised to see a new Labour party emerge behind Mick Lynch.

[prinnysquad]

His message is clear. No one can doubt what he’s saying. Not even those anti-British scumbag newspapers who want the non-rich to suffer.

[QualityChimp]

[prinnysquad]

Excellent!