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[Brad]

Not sure if directed at me but I’m not suddenly very concerned. My mother, sister, daughter and girlfriend are all women; I’ve always been concerned.

[Dogg Thang]

No, that wasn’t directed at you, Brad. My edit was. But there are a lot of people out there who suddenly want to speak up for women… but usually only when it comes to issues of trans women.

[Brad]

Ok we’re kinda in agreement I think. I’m saying that the separation of men and women in sport has lead us to where we are now. The reasoning behind the separation is actually based on the generalisation of physical attributes. We just decided to use sex to create those divisions because it required so little effort!

If we create the divisions more accurately then the sport card cannot be played to stop trans competitors.

[Dogg Thang]

Yep, I totally agree there.

[Neon Ignition]

What is the true cost of policing Britain's streets, even if done poorly?

Cressida Dick to leave Met police with £166,000 payoff | Cressida Dick | The Guardian
About £166,000 if you're Cressida Dick

[Dogg Thang]

That is a good, strong name.

[endo]

I’m not saying it’s not ridiculous, because it is, considering she’s made a career of failing upwards, but 166 grand doesn’t strike me as particularly huge in comparison with other ridiculous public sector payoffs.

[Asura]

People ’fixate’ on sport because it’s an obvious issue where the standard line of a trans woman is a woman doesn’t wash and there is no argument for allowing trans women to compete in certain sports other than the line you used of it hardly affects anyone so let’s not discuss it.

Neon has the right idea I think. I’m not saying it would work for all sports or that I wouldn’t ruin them even but it does at least try to be fair.

Sorry, I wasn't being clear. I didn't mean to suggest it's not something people should discuss, and apologise if I gave that impression.

Just often in the debate over trans issues, people will jump very quickly from topics of what toilets people use (a broad issue that affects many people) to what we do at the Olympics (a comparably very narrow issue), when the two things are very different.

What I meant about the other thing was that I don't really put much stock in sport, but I think gender representation is really important. So I wouldn't mind actions that change a lot of sporting stuff in the cause of recognising gender, because the two things, to me, don't equate - even if those changes would cause things to be seen, by some, as "unfair" or "more complicated" by the criteria that sports use at present. But I freely admit that I know sport is important to some people, and I'm not normal in this regard.

Similarly I don't work in sport or put any stock in it, and I'm not a doctor, an athlete or a trans person, and I haven't read up enough on the various aspects of the debate to give an informed answer other than that knee-jerk assertion above.

[cutmymilk]

Before any more talk of weight classes happens, yes you have them in boxing but just an FYI....men still don't fight women. Except sometimes in Russia (the men win).

[Cassius_Smoke]

I don't think there is an easy answer.
If you set Performance Points, then you'd likely see men in women's categories, making things worse.

[Asura]

Men still don't fight women

They won't fight women even if we let trans athletes compete in the category of their expressed gender, either.

[cutmymilk]

So you deny genetics too. Awesome.

Google "Lia Thomas" and read around the issue.

[Cassius_Smoke]

Small scale protests around the country about the cost of living.
Of course, thanks to the policing Bill, these protests will soon be illegal, so in a few years we just have to suck it up.

[Asura]

Small scale protests around the country about the cost of living.
Of course, thanks to the policing Bill, these protests will soon be illegal, so in a few years we just have to suck it up.

Makes you wonder if the poll tax riots would've worked today.

[Cepp]

I wasn't aware LGBT "conversion therapy" was a thing in the UK. Glad it's being banned, not so much with the ban excluding trans people though. It's a garbage practice regardless of who its being done to.

Mermaids have set up a petition to contact local MPs about the issue if anyone wants to do so. Ask your MP to support a trans-inclusive ban on conversion therapy - Mermaids (mermaidsuk.org.uk)