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[Neon Ignition]

Two-thirds of Tory voters back temporary nationalisation of energy firms – poll | Energy bills | The Guardian
Two thirds of Tory voters support temporary re-nationalisation of the energy market

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/aug/16/cost-of-living-crisis-covid-vaccine-conservative-leadership-liz-truss-rishi-sunak?page=with:block-62fb91828f0809f30ea44588#block-62fb91828f0809f30ea44588

Reassuringly, in swoops Truss to showcase yet again how much she's off message from even her own party's voter base with her placing the focus on increasing the amount of energy supply.

An Opinium poll has found that 86% of Labour voters support Labours plan whilst 85% of Tory supporters back it too.


England must reduce meat intake to avoid climate breakdown, says food tsar | Food | The Guardian
And the 'food tsar' for the Government has said the only way to avoid a climate breakdown in England is to severely cut meat consumption.

Am I missing something or is this a huge over simplification of the issue? As in most climate damage is caused internationally and a big percentage of meat is exported and that which we consume significantly imported so the broad point might apply but really the simple plan of fining people who eat meat regularly would be the equivalent of ****ing in the wind?

Practically speaking it just doesn't work. Too much still avoids dealing with the biggest contributors.

[Cassius_Smoke]

The tories look after the millionaires, but they've completely forgotten about the millionaires who sell products. People can't buy stuff if it all goes to the energy companies. Those millionaires will be rightly pissed off at the government for doing jack **** to protect their interests.

[Lebowski]

The tories look after the millionaires, but they've completely forgotten about the millionaires who sell products. People can't buy stuff if it all goes to the energy companies. Those millionaires will be rightly pissed off at the government for doing jack **** to protect their interests.

We where pushed back into office working and into the highstreet to save company's like Pret so no doubt when the Tory donors who have a massive portfolio of high-street property suddenly realise that energy bills that high make large numbers of businesses unviable then the goverment will suddenly jump into action to save the poor property millionaires like they did at the tail end of the covid pandemic.

[Golgo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62566194

Tories were explicitly warned that the Rwandan regime routinely tortures and kills its political opponents, before going ahead with the asylum relocation scheme anyway. Their only cautionary action was to commit to try to conceal the fact that this advice had been given, acknowledging that it would be bad PR. All of which criminal duplicity has now blown up in their faces. The halfwit Raab was at the centre of it.

[Asura]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62566194

Tories were explicitly warned that the Rwandan regime routinely tortures and kills its political opponents, before going ahead with the asylum relocation scheme anyway. Their only cautionary action was to commit to try to conceal the fact that this advice had been given, acknowledging that it would be bad PR. All of which criminal duplicity has now blown up in their faces. The halfwit Raab was at the centre of it.

Well yeaaaah, you're sending people to Rwanda.

This whole thing is bizarre. It's clearly sending people to a place people see as less of a location and more of the name of a genocide to discourage them from coming to the UK, to please a load of racist people.

[Golgo]

Well yeaaaah, you're sending people to Rwanda.

This whole thing is bizarre. It's clearly sending people to a place people see as less of a location and more of the name of a genocide to discourage them from coming to the UK, to please a load of racist people.

Frankly I don't see why they didn't reveal immediately that they had been advised on the dangers - far from bad PR it would resonate very well indeed with much of their electorate.

[Cassius_Smoke]

What a ****ing country we've become in such an incredibly short space of time. Boris has taken us down a very dark and dirty path and the global community should damn well shame us for it every day. I WANT other countries to burn the union jack on a daily basis. We should be ****ing hated.

[Anpanman]

Ive not seen anyone peddling that Labour isn't financially responsible trope for a while, it must of been a Labour goverments that sold off all the UK's infrastructure was it and forced Brexit on us dividing the country in two?

Didn't they also sell profitable business like the post office super cheaply too? wasnt it them that took the back handers and token positions on boards, lobbying, and wasting the billions on ppe contracts given out to fast lane/friends.

Did they also waste Billions on the failed Test and trace system, have A Non Dom tax dodging chancellor, except free flat refurbish with gold wallpaper, and holidays for peerages.

"But But brown sold off some gold once, and we cant have higher wages as that will push up inflation..... oh its going up already despite wages going down hmmm"

Can't disagree with para two* and three - but I don't think I said anything of the contrary, as far as the 'peddling' goes we don't really see a lot of it as Labour can't get their arse into government - last couple of times they did it they made a right old mess.

If they can't get elected past the current shower they should give up and go home.

*I don't think the Post Office was privatised.

[Asura]

What a ****ing country we've become in such an incredibly short space of time. Boris has taken us down a very dark and dirty path and the global community should damn well shame us for it every day. I WANT other countries to burn the union jack on a daily basis. We should be ****ing hated.

Admittedly we already are, by much of the world. But I suspect you can't actually teach that in schools anymore.

They just started an initative where, if you're going to speak at Whitehall, the government will search your social media and disqualify you if you've ever been critical of the government. Honestly it's absolutely bizarre.

Our political class have become a group of people who are yelling with their fingers in their ears.

[prinnysquad]

Royal Mail was privatised. Far too cheaply.

[fishbowlhead]

Admittedly we already are, by much of the world. But I suspect you can't actually teach that in schools anymore.

They just started an initative where, if you're going to speak at Whitehall, the government will search your social media and disqualify you if you've ever been critical of the government. Honestly it's absolutely bizarre.

Our political class have become a group of people who are yelling with their fingers in their ears.

Social media you say? Hold my beer.

[fishbowlhead]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62566194

Tories were explicitly warned that the Rwandan regime routinely tortures and kills its political opponents, before going ahead with the asylum relocation scheme anyway. Their only cautionary action was to commit to try to conceal the fact that this advice had been given, acknowledging that it would be bad PR. All of which criminal duplicity has now blown up in their faces. The halfwit Raab was at the centre of it.

So who got a nice fat bung from their Rwandan cousin whos also a prince for it then? because someone did. Every single mp that was involved with this should be hunted down, shipped out there to live in their own created nightmare, with no money and just their arses for currency.

[Lebowski]

Can't disagree with para two* and three - but I don't think I said anything of the contrary, as far as the 'peddling' goes we don't really see a lot of it as Labour can't get their arse into government - last couple of times they did it they made a right old mess.

If they can't get elected past the current shower they should give up and go home.

*I don't think the Post Office was privatised.

Royal Mail was privatised and seen as a windfall for the goverment as it generated a large sum of money in shares and they also gained the very sizeable pension pot that post office workers had paid into too. they used this money and are now responsible for paying post office worker pensions so now have another government debt.

The post office generated large sums of money thanks to its parcel division and was a profitable company before being sold on, the new owners are trying to work out how to offload the profit eating letter side of the post office and i wouldn't be surprised if it ends up back in public ownership or subsidized by the goverment. The private sector has form for this see National Express intentionally loosing rail services that loose them money forcing the goverment to step in and Re-nationalize the East Coast line.

Labour when last in power oversaw one of the greatest periods of growth in the UK but ran the government at a deficit. Mistakes like Brown bailing out the banks after the global banking crash was massively criticized but pre brexit our financial sector was one of the strongest in the world.

The Torys have banged on about balancing the books since they took over but have failed to meet any of their targets and abandoned austerity after ten years with no real results and an even larger deficit in what was seen as the greatest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich that the UK has ever seen.

The saying that Maggie stole and sold off all the silverware is one i still hear today and relates to the conservative policy of selling off profitable public owned infrastructure for short term gains. Fobbing off the public by saying it will bring down costs by creating competition in the market and make the services better is how privatisation is sold. Power and rail show that this is a lie as both have got completely out of control in recent years due to lack of regulation.

[Anpanman]

Few things here.

Royal Mail was privatised

Correct, Royal Mail was privatised, NOT the Post Office - thank you.

they also gained the very sizeable pension pot that post office workers had paid into too. they used this money

"They used this money", source please, as far as I'm aware the UK government can't just dip its hands into a company pension scheme surely that is highly illegal.
There was the pensions holiday but that is a separate issue.
You also quoted post office workers, it's Royal Mail.

The post office generated......

No, Royal Mail.

Royal Mail generated large sums of money thanks to its parcel division and was a profitable company before being sold on.

I'd say this is bollocks, unless you have some evidence, from my viewpoint (which also could be incorrect) Royal Mail (not the Post Office - and definitely not the post office) was on its knees and required a huge injection of capital to modernise. At the time the country was in recession partly thanks to Mr Brown's boys and it would have been unfair to ask the taxpayer to fund this when our always strapped for cash NHS plus teachers, firebobbies et al were due pay increases.
You can argue the toss on how it was done but not really the why. I wouldn't disagree with anyone on the surmise that the government was waiting for the perfect opportunity to privatise as it goes against the grain of most people in this country but the economic woes gave the government the green light.

the new owners are trying to work out how to offload the profit eating letter side of the post office and i wouldn't be surprised if it ends up back in public ownership or subsidized by the goverment.

Who are the new owners, technically they could be me and you, and evidence please on their wanting to split the letters and parcels streams.
Once again, it is Royal Mail - honest.

Mistakes like Brown

It's a bit like saying Blair made a bit of an oversight with eye-rack.

The Torys have banged on about balancing the books since they took over but have failed to meet any of their targets

Can't disagree but a bit unfair, yes the current lot have been shameful but with Covid and Ukraine no other party would have balanced either, Starmer may have done better but he wasn't in place, as for Corbyn haha, we would be sending arms to Vlad.

The saying that Maggie stole and sold off all the silverware is one i still hear today

Yes the Conservatives or indeed anyone shouldn't be pissing around with the utilities, but your comment is hearsay, I don't hear anything of the sort, you do ok move along.

[Asura]

Correct, Royal Mail was privatised, NOT the Post Office - thank you.

Can you clarify the difference? As I also use the terms interchangeably. Why are they different?

Is there a different businesses that runs the post offices, like the actual brick-and-mortar operations, and Royal Mail just handles the actual post?