UK X: Who Wants To Live Forever

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2023/jul/26/nigel-farage-natwest-rbs-alison-rose-resigns-chief-executive-coutts-bank-government-gb-news-business-live?page=with:block-64c0badd8f082e444245238c#block-64c0badd8f082e444245238c

The CEO of NatWest has resigned after admitting that she was the one who leaked Farage's information. Farage has ended his issues with the BBC over the matter but called for more NatWest leaders to resign as well as

[Asura]

The CEO of NatWest has resigned after admitting that she was the one who leaked Farage's information. Farage has ended his issues with the BBC over the matter but called for more NatWest leaders to resign as well as

That's Farage, figuring out what will maximise the optics of what happened to him and going for it, bereft of all logic and reason. Anti-immigrationist with an immigrant wife, politician while having never been an MP, "news" reader on GBeebies. The man's such a walking contrararian that I don't understand how he doesn't tear in half while deciding whether to go to Pret or Weatherspoons for breakfast

[Lebowski]

They should of given this guy a promotion, not made him resign

The world is literately on fire and the top story in the UK today is Man has banking issues

[Asura]

They should of given this guy a promotion, not made him resign

It was actually a woman; not that it makes much difference.

Even given what I said above, she really needed to resign. In her case, it's not about Farage or his views or anything like that; it's that she's a banker, yet she leaked confidential information about a customer to the BBC. You just can't do that and expect to keep your job.

But the news cycle being all about it? Yeah, absolute circus.

[Lebowski]

my bad

[MartyG]

As for the EVs. The long term tech improvements are a given but also circle the discussion back around to the short term issues and concerns. The Government are aiming at massive milestones within almost less time than they spent 'getting Brexit done', how much faith can anyone have that that is likely and won't cause more issues than needed simply to try and beat the EU? Also, what are the exit plans for ULEZ schemes when the issues they address no longer apply?

Because Brexit promises were impossible and an EV infrastructure is actually very achievable and doesn't require rainbows and unicorns.

[Neon Ignition]

Green Energy Infrastructure Initiatives - Government Mandated Targets - Deadlines - Tories - Very Achievable
One of these is not like the others

[MartyG]

What you're missing here is that the move to EV is majority industry/consumer lead - industry wants to sell more cars, the infrastructure required is demand driven. It doesn't really matter whether the government lags or not.

[Neon Ignition]

Unless the Government lags and so does the industry/consumer side of things as well. There's an inherent cap on how many EV's can be sold without heavy infrastructure expansion existing before the demand is made but the practicalities of the tech mean that the industry can't solve that on its own as car manufacturers and energy companies can't dictate putting charge points where they need to be, they need the Government to lead on that side from a thoughtful and planned approach rather than just plucking a date out of the air for political points. The UK has set very aggressive dates but I'll be amazed if the EU doesn't wipe the floor with us on hitting its goals.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/jul/26/labour-no-10-nigel-farage-natwest-controversy-keir-starmer-rishi-sunak-uk-politics-live-latest-updates?page=with:block-64c0e76f8f0857661ecd4bb0#block-64c0e76f8f0857661ecd4bb0

Starmar defends Labours rolled back stance on its Trans policy

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/jul/26/labour-no-10-nigel-farage-natwest-controversy-keir-starmer-rishi-sunak-uk-politics-live-latest-updates?page=with:block-64c0ec2b8f0890ba7a1f7761#block-64c0ec2b8f0890ba7a1f7761

Possible signs a Labour reshuffle may be looming

[Mayhem]

There's basically three issues in my mind based on the aggressive dates proposed:

1) Range. Not so much for the ordinary person (albeit I drove nearly 400 miles last month in one day for my aunt's funeral, don't think I could have done that in an EV) but for people who do long distances. Haulage companies and so forth, whether we have super fast charging or not.

2) Manufacture of batteries, using a lot of rare metals, need to be able to efficiently recycle and reuse the materials in the batteries without having to constantly dig the Earth up for new supplies.

3) Infrastructure, and this is the huge one, how do you for example, get 100 people living in a block of flats all connected up to recharge their vehicles at the same time? It won't be by running cables out of the 25th floor window! Cue a lot of road and pavement digging up to install more charge points. Likewise the hit on the National Grid quite likely around 5-6pm once anyone still commuting to work comes home and plugs the car in.

[Neon Ignition]

Even with a decent charging system in place (still unsure how long the loose cables will be permitted before accident lawsuits start flying), the block of flats would be lucky to have a handful of the required parking spaces in or around it and anyone who parks up will just leave their car there all night blocking it up for other residents. It might be better for the approach to Hybrids to be looked at more closely if we get to 2030 and it becomes clear we're way off target, that way full on fuel cars can still be axed on the planned date but a longer mitigation is still available without shuttering hybrids so quick after as well

[Dogg Thang]

Infrastructure, and this is the huge one, how do you for example, get 100 people living in a block of flats all connected up to recharge their vehicles at the same time? … Cue a lot of road and pavement digging up to install more charge points.

Asked and answered. I’m only plucking this one example out because what I’m hearing here is essentially the equivalent of just saying you don’t want to do something because it might be a little bit hard. Lots of changes come with challenges. Doesn’t mean they can’t happen and certainly not reason enough to halt progress. Progress requires change. Change usually means some level of disruption over the transition. That’s really basic.

[MartyG]

There's basically three issues in my mind based on the aggressive dates proposed:

1) Range. Not so much for the ordinary person (albeit I drove nearly 400 miles last month in one day for my aunt's funeral, don't think I could have done that in an EV) but for people who do long distances. Haulage companies and so forth, whether we have super fast charging or not.

2) Manufacture of batteries, using a lot of rare metals, need to be able to efficiently recycle and reuse the materials in the batteries without having to constantly dig the Earth up for new supplies.

3) Infrastructure, and this is the huge one, how do you for example, get 100 people living in a block of flats all connected up to recharge their vehicles at the same time? It won't be by running cables out of the 25th floor window! Cue a lot of road and pavement digging up to install more charge points. Likewise the hit on the National Grid quite likely around 5-6pm once anyone still commuting to work comes home and plugs the car in.

The average range is around 200, but this includes a lot of older vehicles - range has massively improved, most modern EVs can do over 300. My car does 300 (not EV) - it has equivalence already. The average commute length round trip is 23 miles.

The loads of rare earth metal in EV batteries are a myth, they are mostly made up of cobalt and lithium, neither of which is rare - they are the same batteries used in consumer electronics and there are far more of those in the world.

The national grid not being able to cope is also another EV myth, as explained by ... The National Grid: https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories...misconceptions

Infrastructure will come with time as more EVs are bought and used - it is a solvable problem - the UK now has 40,000 charge points across the UK (more than the EU per hundred miles of road) and it continues to grow: https://www.zap-map.com/ev-stats/how...arging-points/ - there will be somewhere to charge - rapid charging gets better, for example a Tesla rapid charge of 15 minutes gets 200 miles currently.

Just like digital downloads replacing physical disks - it's going to happen whether we like it or not - most of the supposed problems are myths.

[Neon Ignition]

Like we've discussed, it will happen but I guess like the digital comparison - not remotely within the timeframe the early discussions of what was thought it would happen in. I checked the map and within the town I live in there around 12 charge points, unless I had the wrong connector type in which case there's just 2. That will grow (not much by 2030 in this town) which is fine but to circle back around to the original point, few would take issue with that plan but rock up in that infrastructure and try to fleece hundreds of pounds out of their pockets of a few hundred thousand households per month over it and you'd last two minutes which would generate enough backlash that support for the shift would just end up being harmed. Right policy, wrong handling of it.

[Lebowski]

The only way where gonna see large scale change in EV ownership is via a shift in attitude to electric cars, when it becomes inconvenient and financially ruinous to own a petrol car then that is when we will see large scale adoption. when their cheaper to run better for the enviroment and can out drive a petrol vehicle then we will see mass adoption over a set number of years. I very much doubt that 7 years from now we wont have any petrol cars on the road, unpicking over a century of Petrol use is never gonna happen overnight.


Home charging feels like a stop gap solution to fill gaps in infrastructure at the moment, progress will march on we've seen it before and its why our roads are not still full of horses and our canal system is now used for mainly leisure.