Canvassers succeeding in tempting in those core Tory voters with bribes
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I still think the next GE will be a much more narrow win for Labour than currently forecast, like low double-figure majority. But the by-election wins do show that Labour can win votes, and how far they’ve managed to detoxify the party brand by booting out Corbyn.Last edited by Protocol Penguin; 20-10-2023, 12:38.Comment
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I'm not expecting the scale of win being projected either. I think the Tories losing is so secure at this point that they will set a date in January 2025 to milk every moment of power they can and then use lowered turnout as a scapegoat for poor results.
A year is a very long time in politics and there's so much room for that high Labour are on to erode somewhatComment
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De-Toxify after corbyn? with May Vs Corbyn we ended up with a hung parliament this was an amazing result when you consider the constant stream of hit pieces and negative press that was bombarding news stands and news programs. when you add in the infighting and coup attempts and all the unsubstantiated antisemitism crap that was thrown about this was a pretty amazing result.Originally posted by Protocol Penguin View Post
It feels like the only way that Stammer has made himself palatable to the media is by being the most far right Labour leader the UK has ever seen. The current conservative party on the other hand seems to get a pretty easy ride, Racism, New Corruption allegations surfacing every week, forced resignations, and constant law breaking. The damage this goverment has done will take decades to fix, sadly i dont think a far right Labour will be able to do that, the UK is ****edLast edited by Lebowski; 20-10-2023, 15:02.Comment
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I find Starmer appalling, genuinely he disgusts me, but he isn’t Corbyn, and that alone will win elections. Corbyn was radioactively toxic to the average voter, and he should’ve been booted out of leadership after his first general election failure. (Yes failure, as he absolutely lost the 2017 GE.) All Corbyn had was a cult of personality, and as we saw with Trump, that isn’t enough to win elections if you also repel a large swathe of the electorate.Originally posted by Lebowski View PostComment
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Cult of personality? what was Boris Johnson then, id take Corbyns cult of personality over the lying toxic, law breaker who would sell the UK down the river it it got him some gold wallpaper or a free holiday. What did Corbyn want to do, build affordable houses bring the transport back into public ownership upgrade our Infrastructure so things like our broadband isn't some of the worst in Europe, End austerity and balance the tax system to make it fairer, he also wanted to feed school kids. he almost did it to despite the odds stacked against him he won the popular vote and caused a massive upset swinging the vote back to Labour massively with a 40% share of the vote compared to a 42% vote win for truss forcing her to form a collation government.
Where are we in 2023 under a Tory goverment, on the brink of recession due to an unaffordable botched Truss budget that crashed the pension market requiring bank of England intervention that cost billions. No new investment in UK infrastructure or housing. Fuel, and food cost spiraling out of control with no plan to protect the UK this winter. Water companies dumping sewage year round with one company fined for dumping sewage for 200 consecutive days in a row. HS2 northern lines cut making it a complete waste of time and not fit for purpose. PPE scandal after scandal with no repercussion, and constant resignations due to scandal after scandal. The list goes on and on,
We have a year more of this where it feels like the UK will be asset stripped for most of this time as all Sunak and his goverment seem interested in is how much money they can make, Things like his Shell deal and his scrapping of green policys show who's future he is securing and its not ours, he will resign from the torys in a year a lot richer while everyone else will be much worse off.
Our only hope to speed that up is the rumors circling around a massive wave of resignations with Hunt at the forefront as bowing out before you loose is like you never lost, and much better for your reputation.Comment
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Starmer is like the Nolan Batman figure for the Labour Party. He's not the leader they want, but he's the leader they need.
Corbyn was politically dead. 2017 was a huge shift but Labour's mistake was in thinking that the surge of support was pretty much down to left wing policies. The surgence of the youth vote was hugely impressive and he did many things right in that campaign but the knee jerk post-Referendum drive fuelled things just as much. His supporters took the result as a reason to lean harder into his approach and by the following year he was being torpedoed left, right and centre. That the Tories took aim was no surprise given how close he'd come to beating them but the inability for him to weather any of it exposed how weak his position was. That failure to recognise the basis of the voting surge was what was always going to kick the legs out of Johnson too, he didn't win a landslide because of public faith in him or his party, he did it because of three lying words - Get Brexit Done - and that surge would have always vanished next year. People might have been pro-Remain but three years on just wanted to draw a line under it and Labour was utterly incapable of taking a stance and reading the room. The anti-semitism stories were a terminal bullet too, so utterly easy to deal and he failed at every level to deal with it to his own personal undoing also. In a universe where he managed to remain in control, under todays circumstances, we could have reached an unimaginably disasterous point with the Tories in the state they're in and Labour imploding.
Starmer was good for the party in the sense that he dragged it out of the in-fighting and spiral it was in. It's plain as day that the UK is primarily a right leaning nation and Labour needs to stop being out of power for huge amounts of time allowing the Tories such free reign. Starmer is spot on that there's no point have a left of the party leaning slate of policies if the party will never gain office to implement them. The current approach is so carefully managed that it's meant the Tories can't get a single attack line on them and given the results they're wise to stick to that plan. The main concern is that a ton of this is down to luck for Starmer, it wouldn't have worked without the events of the last 18 months and at some point, especially if he's in power, he will need to land some things that the party woudl hope to. But if Corbyn was still Labour leader, I don't think a Labour win would be on the cards. Starmer winning the GE on a fairly central, dull platform is pretty much what's needed at the moment, suck the drama out of politics and steady the ship. A second term from him like that though would be a mistake.
Cruella has the bare faced gall to talk about the wrongs of inciting hatred
Judges to rule on whether tenants in England have right to keep a pet | Housing | The GuardianComment
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UK Officials are leaving Benefits and Marriage licence decisions to AI to decide onComment
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This is how it starts. Honestly, this is apocalyptic. Future generations will read about this in textbooks.Originally posted by Neon Ignition View PostComment
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£1bn fund to expand EV charging network still not open after three years | Electric, hybrid and low-emission cars | The Guardian
Not a penny of the fund to set up the network has been spentComment
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Suprised their is no fast lane for Dog Food Companies to bid on this....
Maybe its to hot for the Torys to exploit in light of Baroness Yacht Mc Yacht face what with her husband facing prison for tax fraud in Spain and her still in hiding from the Medpro PPE scandal.Last edited by Lebowski; 24-10-2023, 14:54.Comment
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On the downside, more Britons can't afford to party out of home this Christmas according to Tesco
On the upside, if you're still shopping at Tesco you can probably afford to party out this ChristmasComment
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Labour U-turns on promise of Scottish-style right to roam in England | Access to green space | The Guardian
This highlights one of the biggest problems with Labour. To be that ahead in polling and yet they continue to needlessly u-turn on existing stancesComment
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*cough*Theresa May*cough*Originally posted by Lebowski View Post
I don't disagree with a lot of what you posted - I voted for Labour under Corbyn twice - but I'm afraid he gets no ratings from me for "valiantly losing" to an awful Theresa May in 2017. He didn't do enough then and I don't buy the whole media being against him, tbh. He was supposed to be a master campaigner so why couldn't be effective enough to campaign to convince people? And Labour's performance at the 2019 GE under him was the worst in generations. He had to carry the can for that.
Ultimately, he signed his own death warrant by backing Brexit. He did nothing to help the Remain campaign (he's a known Eurosceptic but he might as well have been a Brexiteer) despite the vast majority of Labour begging him to and he was publicly open about wanting a Hard Brexit, with all the profound damage that would've entailed, to happen. Brexit isn't all down to him but history will ultimately show that he played his part in enabling it to happen, imoLast edited by Nu-Eclipse; 25-10-2023, 08:29.Comment
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2019 was all about Get Brexit Done, Corbyn offering no strong opposition in 2019 killed him i agree with you on that.Originally posted by Nu-Eclipse View Post
I think the difference in 2017 was the tabloids where foaming at the mouth in the height of Corbyns popularity, it was ten page hit pieces in the Sun and Russian hats on the BBC. I still remember that crazy news night where he said he wouldn't fire nukes first and he got an absolute kicking for not wanting to start a nuclear war and kill us all. Nothing surrounding him ever felt balanced and its why i still stand by the belief that if we had a fair unbiased press things might of gone differently in 2017.Comment
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