Originally posted by Lebowski
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It still stands to reason that he didn't do enough to get himself across to the electorate in 2017 - again, he was touted as a master campaigner. Things only turned out how they did in 2017 because May was terrible, not because Corbyn was effective enough (incredibly ironic given that Starmer's critics say the same thing about him today in relative terms to Sunak/Truss/Johnson, etc.). It's quite telling that despite the 2017 GE result being a hung parliament, nobody wanted to go into coalition with a Corbyn Labour Party.Last edited by Nu-Eclipse; 25-10-2023, 15:09. -
I still think a lot of the public are far to easily Led and believe everything presented to them as hard fact, That fake conservative interview where a comedian was talking about how the energy crisis, was effecting her as she was paying a fortune to heat her horse stables, and that people dying in the cold as removing the weeds from the garden to let the flowers grow. That it could of been real and was mistaken for a real soundbyte by many shows how easy it is to spread false info.
The amount of memes and misinformation shared on social that where doing the round promoting the half truths and tabloid agenda in 2017 compared to today with stammer felt like their must of been someone behind it all producing and coordinating this stuff.Comment
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100% agree with you and [MENTION=2970]Nu-Eclipse[/MENTION].Originally posted by Lebowski View Post
Thing is, the media were always going to give any Labour leader a hammering and portray them as left-wing extremists, as they did even with Blair and increasingly will with Starmer. The job is to counteract that narrative, and not walk straight into rhetorical traps set by the media. But Corbyn was hapless! Hopeless! He was like that scene in The Simpsons where Sideshow Bob is accidentally stepping on a load of garden rakes.I think the difference in 2017 was the tabloids where foaming at the mouth in the height of Corbyns popularity, it was ten page hit pieces in the Sun and Russian hats on the BBC. I still remember that crazy news night where he said he wouldn't fire nukes first and he got an absolute kicking for not wanting to start a nuclear war and kill us all. Nothing surrounding him ever felt balanced and its why i still stand by the belief that if we had a fair unbiased press things might of gone differently in 2017.Comment
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Yup perfect analogy As a supporter of Corbyn at the time it was super frustrating, he knew what the press and the electorate would give him an absolute kicking on and he just doubled down on it, things like not getting rid of Diana Abbot after she made a complete fool of herself on multiple occasions and became a meme for the labor financial incompetency myth. they knew they needed to be rock solid on this and she just couldn't provide that image after all the mistakes. His soft policy's on defense won him no fans either.
Stammer seems to have worked out how to play the game, cosying up with the press creating decent attacks on the right issues and reminding everyone of the constant scandals. I don't think he will get the majority Jhonson got as theirs always die hard Torys who vote like their supporting a football team, but come next year i think we will finally have a different goverment.
Can a more right leaning Labour fix things who knows they cant be as bad the current goverment that's made up out of what feels like the dregs of a party that needs a long break to bring in new blood and fix the rot and corruption.Last edited by Lebowski; 26-10-2023, 14:24.Comment
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Yep, minimum 2 terms. For the entire first term the Tories will waste that entire time having every current bottom of the barrel, corrupt, career racist cabinet member clawing each others eyes out for leadership of the party. They're completely blind and closed off the outside of their own four walls and have literally no understanding of their situation. It'll take a second battering in 2029 for the party to begin to reset itself as something more moderate akin to the start of the Cameron years.Comment
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Problem with Corbyn was he's the only leader since Foot who could make a left hand turn driving on a roundabout in France.
When I saw him being interviewed he never had any details or plans or basically what he would do, a man without a plan basically and nothing that I can remember about the economy or finance feeding into the truth about Labour's poor history with the economy.
Starmer at least has been putting out some ideas, though recently he has been keeping shtumm, HS2 an example.
I think the public here prefer a government who is more centre but if given a choice of +10 right or +10 left they would go with the right and that's why the likes of Jezzer didn't stand a chance.
Starmer will get in and I do think he will handle the economy better than previous Labour governments, he'll be given the keys to the kingdom. He just has to make sure he doesn't **** it all up because he can't blame a pandeminc or Vladimir.Comment
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