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Because it’s soooooooooooooo easy to pick on vulnerable people. The top 0.1% that owns half the country’s wealth are all in positions of power to either stop any laws coming into play that would affect them, or just move the wealth out the country using clever accounting, or both. They can’t be touched and the gov knows it, so they go after the vulnerable, because what are they going to do? Move their wealth out of the govs reach? They can’t 🤷♂️ -
I mean... I dislike Farage as much as the next person but I'm so bored of trying to articulate to people why he's such a horrible person that I can only shake my head in disbelief and consider that he's a busy guy for a 60yo.Originally posted by QualityChimp View PostComment
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Voted in by the 'left behind' in Clacton...who he promptly left behind. LolComment
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Tax cuts for US tech giants (in a vain effort to appease Trump who will now repeatedly make more demands because he knows he can), benefit cuts for the poorest and most vulnerable.
Disgraceful isn't even the word. At this rate, I strongly suspect that it'll be even longer than 14 years before Labour ever taste power again. Like it or not, all this does is make a Reform Government more likely, regardless of the fact that Farage is scum.Last edited by Nu-Eclipse; 24-03-2025, 10:35.Comment
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All eyes on the Tories, it's what makes every party's dancing around Reform so daft as they have no road to power unless it's via coalition with the Tories. Thankfully, for now, the Tories have gone near a year and not budged an inch in fixing themselves
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If local election and next GE (obviously AGES away) polling holds true, a road for Reform opens up, with the likelihood of the Tories begging for a far-right coalition more likely than ever.Originally posted by Neon Ignition View Post
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It's why I'm glad we're a long way from a GE. I don't feel like most of the Reform support is genuine, instead just made up of still protesting Tory voters. I fully expect the Conservatives will kick Kemi out in the next year or two and go for a brand reboot which will vacuum a good chunk of that Reform vote away again. There's still a lot of time as well for movement in immigration numbers (even if that's a perpetual one) but with Reform's platform being so thin they need that to remain relevant whilst also dodging their own ineptness. They're made up of racists and de-camped tory losers so if they gain any additional seats before the GE it will just open them up to more avenues for dirty laundry airing. There's loads of other issues they need to weather for a very long time also so I'd be amazed if they're seriously in the running when the GE actually rears its head. Not that the Tories are anywhere near being that different, if the US economy collapses due to Trumps ineptness, hopefully it will wake up many voters to the fire they're playing with.Comment
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Sure, but local elections are in May. They could yet have a massive bearing on how things play out going forward. Reform were not far off Labour in many constituencies at the last GE and there is nothing in polling to suggest that their support will be in any way diminished.
I don't want them in our politics either, but people really need to start getting real about them and taking them seriously. Pretending they're not there when they actually are there will only go one way.
Yet again though, as I keep saying a million times, the ONLY way Labour avert this is to quickly improve and actually make things tangibly better for working people/poor people instead of a Tory-lite tribute that they're currently doing because that narrative about them is now hard set.Last edited by Nu-Eclipse; 24-03-2025, 12:27.Comment
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I dunno.Originally posted by Neon Ignition View Post
Extreme anecdotal example. My friends & I found ourselves at London Victoria Station last October. We were facing a 1.5hr wait for a train, and couldn't find anywhere to sit, so we ended up going to the Wetherspoons on the mezzanine there, because we figured we could sit on the balcony and just order 4 soft drinks, and be there until the train arrived.
Now, I know that 'spoons has become something of a mecca for the right wing, and given the politics of its owner, I now normally avoud the place. but on this day, unbeknownst to us, there was some kind of Tommy Robinson protest in that part of London, so we'd only been there for ~20 minutes when suddenly the basically-dead 'spoons became absolutely rammed.
And the people; you would not believe. It was like a comments section come to life. All cut from the same side of gammon. Actually quite mixed in gender (that was a surprise) as I expected it to be mostly blokes. And walking through, the conversations you overheard; that COVID was the Chinese (referred to by a word I won't use here), said to a round of applause and knowing nods by a bunch of people who I doubt even had a Biology GCSE. Hell, the table near ours was talking loudly about how the whole Israel situation was fallout due to <insert numerous different offensive banking conspiracy theories here>.
The hard bit to convey was the tone of the gathering. As someone who doesn't believe such garbage, I did not feel safe. Very quickly those at my table were asking if we could leave, which I wholeheartedly agreed with.
Like I said above; I dunno. Prior to this, I'd always assumed Reform were a tiny minority of basement dwellers. But this experience genuinely scared me, because I couldn't believe that these sentiments were so healthy and alive in modern Britain.Comment
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These kind of gatherings with those kind of people, INSTANTLY put me into a defensive kill mode, it’s like my body feeds their stupidity into pure rage.Originally posted by Asura View PostComment
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In the town I come from they've always been prevailant as a presence. Faded UKIP stickers etc still sit in upstairs shop windows etc and we get flyers about nonsense still through the door so it's fairly normalised to see and hear that stuff near us. Much like the rest of the country though they're loud but have never gained enough traction to break through, those in key positions run afoul too often and Farage is so quick to jump ship when the situation suits him - he's a terrible leader and he knows it, trouble is every time he steps away his parties fold on themselves because there's no substance to them. It's probably the noise of UKIP that colours my views of the next GE. At its peak the noise around UKIP was much louder than Reform and despite that very strong headwind it took them 3-4 General Elections to build up their peak results - a result that was still incredibly small but dwarves Reforms gains to date.
I know it's pure glass half-fullism, I just think when it's such a short time since the last GE it's very easy for those polled to pull a protest option as it's zero consequence. Similarly we're still in a position where the Tories aren't remotely on the map, so much will change before we get near the next GE that I struggle to see Reform lasting as a force to be reckoned with. I'm not, though, at all expecting Labour to walk it again - I'm expecting a hung parliament situation at best barring a Tory revival.Comment
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That would be the “affordable housing” that’s far more expensive than true, social housing and far out of the reach of people on benefits? Yeah, that’ll make those people feel a lot better. 🙄Originally posted by Neon Ignition View PostComment
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Anyone who doesn’t want Reform to win seats in May can sign up to campaign against them for Hope Not Hate. Link:Originally posted by Nu-Eclipse View Post
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