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    I'll take a conservative view and say that he's not worth anywhere near 20 million. Yet. He has the potential to be a player of that pricetag. You're paying for the potential. I would be very surprised if he does anything outstanding for Liverpool next season, he will continue to develop nicely though. He's not as dynamic or complete as Michael Bridges was when we sold him, and he doesn't run a game. He's no Gerrard, not even close. At first, he'll appear to put in a lot of graft, yet do nothing tangible.

    He's hit something like 70-odd appearances in the first team in a very average side and frequently shone, but he had a mid-season trough recently where he looked totally ineffectual. The good news to come out of that run was that he never stopped trying, so he's got a decent temperament (although the extent to which that level of drive was to do with playing for his hometown team is to be seen).

    He's a bit of an enigma. He does seem to have a sound footballing brain, and a decent level of technical ability. He sees himself as central midfield, but he's better drifting onto the right flank. He can put in a very decent cross. He has a decent shot. He's a box-to-box player. He's a great player for Eng U21s. Yet at other times he drifts out of the game, over-relies on simple passes and runs around like a headless chicken. Sometimes he huffs and puffs in a match yet doesn't seem to apply it to create end product. He simply doesn't shoot enough, or tackle. He's not a fast winger.

    That sounds terrible. He's not. Just be prepared for some shockingly un-20-million-esque performances. If Liverpool sort out his playing position, and train him up there, then he could be excellent. The Liverpool staff seem to think so. At the moment he's been shoved into various positions and roles for Sunlun and England, and once he gets settled and stops trying to do everything averagely, then he could flourish.
    Last edited by prinnysquad; 08-06-2011, 20:30.

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      What happened to Liverpool? Weren't they in danger of administration not long ago? Now they're throwing money around more freely than Man City.

      The Torres sale ain't covering it.

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        Liverpool got new owners at the beginning of last season. Well documented, like.

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          Surely they were bought with debt and loans, I thought that was how it worked!

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            Liverpool were bought with 'real' cash. However the owners haven't ruled out the possibility of using the club to garentee loans. Also worth noting that Liverpool don't generate as much money as the big four, they can't splash too much without falling foul of the financial fair play stuff. Especially since no Europe this year will mean less money.

            That aside, it's insane how much money is being flashed around for 'potential'. Makes you wonder how much Sturridge would've gone for if Chelsea hadn't called him back.

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              It's good to see we have owners willing to splash out, but not without thorough scouting and not referring to some rich Russian's PES Master League data on a Memory Card.

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                Originally posted by toythatkills View Post
                What happened to Liverpool? Weren't they in danger of administration not long ago? Now they're throwing money around more freely than Man City.

                The Torres sale ain't covering it.
                If they sell Aquaman as intended they've broadly spent next to nothing. The new player is a deal worth ?20M including Ngog, so ?13-15 for Henderson plus Ngog to make up the amount.

                Torres (50), Babbel (8), Ngog 5-7), Aquilani (10)= about ?65-70M
                Suarez (22), Carrol (35), Henderson, Henderson (15)= about ?70M

                I get the feeling they're probably paying slightly less on wages for the new 4 as opposed to the old 4. You can dispute the value of Ngog and obviously it increases if they don't find a buyer for Aquilani, but it's about ?10M difference in that scenario.

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                  Originally posted by abigsmurf View Post
                  That aside, it's insane how much money is being flashed around for 'potential'. Makes you wonder how much Sturridge would've gone for if Chelsea hadn't called him back.
                  Used to be that you'd buy a young player whose main asset was their potential in order to save money, as you'd be taking a gamble on whether they fulfilled that potential or not. Now it seems there's very little price difference between "might be good" and "is good". Getting decent value when buying players is becoming very rare.

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                    Who are the big four? According to Deloitte Liverpool are currently 8th overall and behind Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea. They are some 70mil in front of Man City when it comes to revenue. Who are the next best team.

                    Also, I think its been accepted by quite a few people there are loopholes that greater people than you or I will manage to find when it comes to European fair play models.

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                      Originally posted by abigsmurf View Post
                      Liverpool were bought with 'real' cash. However the owners haven't ruled out the possibility of using the club to garentee loans. Also worth noting that Liverpool don't generate as much money as the big four, they can't splash too much without falling foul of the financial fair play stuff. Especially since no Europe this year will mean less money.

                      That aside, it's insane how much money is being flashed around for 'potential'. Makes you wonder how much Sturridge would've gone for if Chelsea hadn't called him back.
                      Man City are behind Liverpool in terms of revenue, some 70mil. Which is massive. They are the next behind Liverpool in terms of revenue. So, who are the big four? Considering Liverpool are fourth in terms of revenue.

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                        Man City will get a massive boost from a Champions League run (?30mill min if they get past the group stages), Liverpool's revenue will drop (not sure how much Europa is worth but I'd guess about ?10mil). Man City's other revenue will increase as their fan base increases which will happen at a faster rate if they can maintain their position for another season or two.

                        Even if they're not there by the next years financials, I'd be suprised if the gap wasn't far smaller and it won't be long before they overtake them.

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                          I don't think there is a big four any more, I'd say it was a big five of Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City. Liverpool might have had a couple of seasons without a top four finish, but they're so famous and steeped in history that it would take a real catastrophe for them to lose their status in the game.

                          Man City, like Chelsea, will be in there as they have bought their way in. I'm not sure Man City will be able to boost their revenue in the way Chelsea have managed to though, as in football terms Manchester is so synonymous with Man Utd (worldwide) that may hamper them a bit commercially. Chelsea obviously didn't have the problem of one club already being seen as THE London club.

                          Be interesting to see if FFP has any effect on those clubs. Especially the likes of Chelsea and Man City with their huge wages to turnover ratios (Man City spending more on wages than they made in income was fairly funny ).

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                            Chelsea have a fanbase? They can't fill their stadium. I recall an important game against West Ham last season and the stadium was half empty. Spurs and Arsenal for me are bigger than Chelsea. Spurs need a bigger stadium.

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                              Chelsea sell out every game. There are more empty seats at Anfield then there are at Stamford Bridge.



                              It's simply not possible for Chelsea to have had even a 1/5 of the seats empty for a match and get an average attendence like that.

                              Ian Wright likes to trot out a stat 'proving' how rubbish our support is by saying we had an attendence of 9,000 in 1994. Neglecting to mention that were playing Coventry, on a Wednesday night, in a game that wasn't the final game but was still after the league positions had already been decided. But then, that's what happens when you have a man who spent lengthy amounts of time at 3 different London rivals talk about loyalty...

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                                Don't you be dissin' Wrighty. He was my hero as a kid.

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