Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

[El Leone]

but seeing how much you love Mass Effect, which is one of the most linear experiences i've had for a game that calls itself RPG, I see your points very chimerical.

I don't know why, but for some reason you're under the misconception that you have to have open world elements to be classified as a RPG, When you don't. Mass Effect is a fairly linear experience, but there is alot of freedom when it comes to the order of how you do things. Gameplay gives you alot of freedom when it comes to how you play and approach situtations.

Almost every planet in every galaxy had an exact replica of another 2 or 3 planets somewhere else in terms of land asthetics aswell as structural facades

No planet is a exact replica when it comes to land scape, however I do understand what you're trying to say when it comes to the look of the planet. I think theres 3-5 variations or so. I aint denying your point though.

In terms of the bases to explore there was 4 structures with each one of having 3 variations to how they're set up. They are repetitive. However there is a single reason why they're infinity better than the caves and dunegons found in Oblivion: They're not long winded. Yup they're repetitive, but they're short and straight to the point.

wich required tedious QTE's to open random rocks and space debris; wich gained you a piece of metal or a gas that didn't have any affect on the game in any way

I found nothing wrong with the mini game that unlock items. It lasted about 5 seconds maximum and you only had to do about 4 or 5 button presses. It was short and straight to the point. However, if you really did find it tedious then you could always just spend some omni-gel and skip it. Now Bioshock had a tedious mini game.

I agree with you about extracting resources from rocks and planets. There was nothing to be gained. But there wasn't anything forcing you to do those quests and you can get the Completionist achievements without doing the mineral side quests anyway.

losing all reason and purpose to carry on exploring such bland worlds

Quite a stretch. Exploring planets and systems would get you new quests and sometimes a decent weapon or armour pick up.

For ME2 I also hope to see quality over quantity; especially with the land mass of planets aswell as in the side missions, which palpably reused EXACTLY the same interior rooms as previous planets, but with re-shuffled entities and enemies.

How can I not agree? The sidequests in ME were fairly meh with a few stand outs. The variety does need to be improved and so does the level design and how the side quests are approached and handled.

I didn't feel like any of my actions were really and truly affecting my player or the way the story unwravlled, once again creating the aforemention atmosphere of nothing but linearity.

As you say, the story is linear so the overall outcome is fairly set. However, the choices you make creates variations of the story and it does personalise the experience for the player. There are also alot of sets ups, such as

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rachni

and the

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council

that are obivously there for the sequel but we don't know what kind of impact it will have on the sequels.

Thats another misconception that seems to hang around: That linearity is a bad thing. Having a linear structure and story allows for a more focused and shortened gaming experience. Personally, I would take a linear experience over a open world structure any day. RE4 is extremly linear, yet its probably one of the best and most influential games of the last and current generation.

but for comparison with some points you've made with Oblivion, wich when used in juxtaposition, make you appear to be very hypocritical.

I'll be honest, When you come to the situtation were you have to prove someone wrong by making them look hypocritical and by trying to confuse them with big words and unusual use of English then you have a weak argument. The key to debating is to have strong points, and backing them up with clear english. What you have done is kind of reflected it and put another game on trial to avoid the issues found in Oblivion.

All is well though.

[Malc]

You brought Mass Effect into the equation on voice acting, so why not compare other faults and issues between the two?

I found that some of the bad points you made with Oblivion are also present in Mass Effect (which is where hypocrisy comes in). I still enjoyed both games, and when I play through it now I don't troll through it because it's an average Sci-Fi RPG; I respect it for what it attempted to do - and done - which I can understand why you still play it. You love ME, despite it's idiosyncrasies. So why can you not, and I quote:

know how people can enjoy this game

Which seems a bit of a flippant comment wanting to cause a reaction, as you know people still posting in the thread are lovers of it. It's also harsh coming from someone on a gaming forum who loves the medium, which you should then respect what others like and try and see why we do enjoy said game.

Also, The vocabulary used in my post is simply what comes out when trying to put my point across, not to be some poncy twat and try and confuse you (very much like politicians ) Besides, i'm only 15, so I hardly doubt it will perplex people.

[sj33]

Mighty walls of text aside, I just know I love sitting there and getting absorbed by the world, with no real path or focus, just doing what I come across I find it almost relaxing.

[Rossco]

To be fair, the sentence he quoted you saying was quite unusual. I had to slow down and read.... it.... slowly.... so.... I.... understood!


But in other news, OBLIVION ROCKS!

[Malc]

Then you're all illiterate!

I have found in the past to constantly repeat the same words over and over and over again when I was younger. I've been encouraged at school to use more expressive vocabulary to stop repeating myself. Now that i'm older, I guess i'm as inane as Edge are, but I find the English language fascinating. Besides, there all proper words, not some fancy crap i've made up they're just less frequently heard.

There's only one thing for it, I shall have to go somewhere else to post with intelligent people... like YouTube.

[Rossco]

You... are... a... tube!?

[Malc]

Oh yeah, You Tube has some of the most intelligent posters ever to grace the universe.

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They are in fact the most stupidly illiterate ignoramuses to ever grace the universe

Fact, but don't tell them; they'll enter a swearing battle against you.

[El Leone]

You brought Mass Effect into the equation on voice acting, so why not compare other faults and issues between the two?

I used Mass Effect as a tool of comparison in regard to the conversation system. Your post is pretty much a critique of Mass effect with one or two references to Oblivion shoved in to make the post relevant.

I found that some of the bad points you made with Oblivion are also present in Mass Effect (which is where hypocrisy comes in).

This is the problem. You're applying what I'm saying to your own personal opinion. This means that you can either read my mind or you're assuming that your opinion is fact on this particular matter. So far you're saying that I'm a hypocrite without really proving it. Hell, I've been agreeing with some of your complaints of ME, and it is true that ME and Oblivion share some ofthe same issues, but Mass Effect does things alot of better.

I still enjoyed both games, and when I play through it now I don't troll through it because it's an average Sci-Fi RPG; I respect it for what it attempted to do - and done - which I can understand why you still play it.

Just pretty much confirming what I said above. You're comparing my opinion to yours, which your assuming is the base line of whats right or not.

Also, these last few posts of mine are nowhere near trolling. This is like a actual discussion, while in comparison trolling is the art of annoying people.

Which seems a bit of a flippant comment wanting to cause a reaction, as you know people still posting in the thread are lovers of it.

Yeah that particular comment was fairly trollish. However, the following posts were not.

It's also harsh coming from someone on a gaming forum who loves the medium, which you should then respect what others like and try and see why we do enjoy said game.

Damage control time, but my actual posts are fairly respectful. I have tried the game and I have a different opinion. Life would be boring if everyone agreed.

Also, The vocabulary used in my post is simply what comes out when trying to put my point across, not to be some poncy twat and try and confuse you (very much like politicians ) Besides, i'm only 15, so I hardly doubt it will perplex people.

Its great that you're expanding your vocabulary, but the words that you chose, such as 'chimerical', was pretty much self defeating of what you're trying to acheive. Your useage came across as awkard and I believe it doesn't really fit into casual conversation.

But in other news, OBLIVION ROCKS!

Somebody has not been reading my 'OBLIVION SUCKS' posts

[Malc]

When I said about trolling through ME, I didn't mean in your previous posts, just referencing what you said about Oblivion before all this in your first post, not in this thread.

Chimerical, used in lots of books i've studied recently. I guess bizarre will suffice.

My hands are dieing from extensive writing, so i'm finishing off or we'll never end.

Still freinds..?

[El Leone]

why would i change my opinion just because we vary in opinions? as i said before: all is well. and now, i will depart from this thread and let you guys enjoy your inferior game while i enjoy my totally awesome one .

[Rossco]

In your opinion!

[sj33]

Blimey! We're all allowed to like/hate games, and people have the right to state their dislike for a game in a First Play (ideally with reasons), just as people have the right to express their love for a game.

I think the initial problem was that, more than 2 years later, you posted that you hated the game (which is fair enough), but just left it at that, with no insight as to what spurred that post, and the reasons for the dislike (which were only mentioned when troble kicked off).

Not trying to get involved in a bicker here, just want to show how the discussion (which could have been a good-natured one) desended so much.

EDIT - But if this is sorted, lets just get on with it

[Malc]

as i said before: all is well.

Good good.

[El Leone]

with no insight as to what spurred that post,

i was bored dood and saw the oblivion thread and was up to some discussion. however i will admit my first post was fairly trolly but from then on i thought everything was pretty chill and posts had detail and reasoning behind them

and the reasons for the dislike (which were only mentioned when troble kicked off)

you've misinterpreted my posts: there isn't any nerd rage behind them and personally I thought the discussion was fairly relaxed, we discussed and share opinions of each others arguments.

Not trying to get involved in a bicker here, just want to show how the discussion (which could have been a good-natured one) desended so much.

thought it was alright, but ive seen lots of nerd fights on the internet so perhaps my defintion of a discussion differs from yours.

[Malc]

Yes, I didn't feel any rage in me when posting. Much better discussion than some debates turn out.

Look at it this way: It didn't get the thread locked!