Halo 3

[ExtremePabs]

There you go, with videos as well.

Thanks chap!

[B1gBeard]

That's an argument?

You state where has Halo changed things, people reply with reasonable points and you reply 'its (sic) all horses for courses again'.

If the shield was such a non-issue as you suggest, why have soooo many other games adopted it? Why do so many other people on this thread agree that it makes a difference? Why do so many people who have experienced PC FPS love the Halo mechanic? The common denominator against it seems to be you.

You previously said that the melee in Halo was no different and now you seemed to have finally backed down on that argument. You say you find it hard to spot the differences, I suggest you just aren't looking in order to support your (fairly weak) argument. It just comes across as snobbery.

Your argument seems to be that as some people on the forum here don't agree with me but with you, then you've won the argument. Seems no dafter than my arguments tbh. I'm sure there are people who feel the same as me (even in this thread) as there are people who feel the same as you. It is all about how the game leaves you feeling at the end of the day although I do feel there is this attitude where you have to like it because its Halo.

Your argument that other games have adopted the shield because its the best idea, when the game industry is as Lemming based as it is is also a bit of a weak argument. Ultimately you like it, I don't and don't think it has added anything to the genre other than dumbing it down. That's just my opinion. I'm sure a lot of devs use it though because its in a trendy big title and not nessacerily because its the best option.

Anyway we're just banging heads together here. I'll continue on and maybe I will see the light as you suggest I might further down the line. At the moment though all I can give is what I have experienced so far and thats a weak single player apart from the middle third (after finishing it on Heroic) and a multiplayer that leaves me feeling a bit been here, done that, a long time ago.

[dataDave]

I personally think Halo has been average at best compared to most other classic FPS games such as Unreal Tournament/Quake 3 Arena. This new one is by far the best so far though.

So pissing limited with the pad though. I'm **** on a pad and it takes me hours and hours of continual play to become re-accustomed. If I had a mouse and keyboard I'd actually be able to aim for a change.

[Dirty Sanchez]

Should you really be comparing PC to console though? Control is completely different and importantly all the specs are the same on console, no aim bots, no uber gaming mouse.

The fact that Halo stands up well against the PC games is an indication of what has been acheived.

[JP]

I'm not sure if these have been posted before?

I've found a video to show people where all the gold skulls are hidden. Do yourself a favour and don't use them until you've really had enough of hunting them down yourself though.

• All Gold Skulls & Effects (SD)
• All Gold Skulls & Effects (HD)

[rmoxon]

I've had the reverse experience with the single player. On the easiest settings its pretty much a run and gun. Heroic and Legendary offer more tactical options, but often on those levels it can be a frustrating routine of picking off powerful snipers/enemies, waiting for shield, scavanging for ammo, picking off enemies, waiting for shield, scavange for ammo add nausium. There are quite a few areas of the game also where you have to die, quite a lot, that has nothing to do with clever AI. Its designed that way and often involves you just continually restarting until you get relatively lucky. The middle part of the single player game was immense fun and the levels paced well and flowed beautifully though.

Overall though the poorly written story, badly designed levels at the start and end and the frustrations stated above, for me puts its a fair way from the likes of Half Life 1 and 2 (on the 360 also) and more recently games like Stalker. This is all just imo. I do think it deserved its 10 marks it got because of what it achieves overall, especially in the ease of the multiplayer options and front end.

I think you are being a bit over defensive with the PC Zone thing, seemingly because I am daring to not like Halo as much as I am supposed to. If I thought it was great I would happily say so. I do apologise though if my attitude came across as such.

Well Yeah, Of course Im being defensive (though not sure about over) becuase I like to think consoles offer just as much as PC's and vice versa and dont like seeing people talked down too either for that matter. You can like what you wont, its just that your reasons seem slightly obscure and also overly nastalgic of games like quake that when played to do wouldnt really hold up to Halo 3 gameplay wise.

ANyway your opinion just seems to be the complete oposite of mine, the enemy A.I. in this game is as good as in half life 2 IMO, the only difference being that the enemies in this games all have a far broarder range of personalities (grunts are still quite obviously dumb for instance)
and of course the freindly A.i. does indeed suck which is a negative.

The Story isnt poorly written at all though, it is just pretty complex yet dosnet want to be Metal gear solid so they keep movies to a minimum and just requires you to think, perhapse too much so ( myself included as I would personaly rather worry about the gameplay than what a forerunner is), but the atmosphere and scale of it all still shines through for me.

Youre description of the harder difficulties isnt entirely acturate either, they require you to be good at them, thats all. Weird that I keep going back to Devil May Cry 3, but that game is similar in this way also, most people would probabaly die over and over on the hardest diffculty, but then you have other people who put the required hours into the game that they could probabaly complete it without dying once (maybe). Halo 3 is like it in that it caters for both the casual and hardcore player. For me Heroic is perfectly balanced, I was never frustrated by it, even at the moments I died alot, becuase I knew it was usualy my fault. (besides that bastard bit with the two scarabs I mean...)

As for saying you should like Halo becuase its Halo... no thats not true. Despite them being popular I dont Like the Metal Gear Solid games to be honest becuase I think they have poor gameplay and are getting more and more Fiddly to play (the new one looks cool but also even more fiddly still). I actualy have valid reasons though for not liking those games (which I wont go into), here youre just saying things that most people can see are clearly untrue, and if anything seem to be attacking it JUST becuase its Halo, almost hypocriticaly if you will.

[iloveannie]

Well I succumbed and bought my first 360 two days ago. Well here's hoping Crackdown offers something new that can bring a smile to my face. Edge 10? Perhaps I'm missing something that I haven't seen before? Plays like Halo 1 and 2 to me.

Gotta ask why sometimes people still sit halfway through the scenery. Thought this was next next gen or something and here we have Goldeneye moments.
Also why I had to go and give one of the jeeps a push and also a tank that was stuck.

Petty comments I know but was expecting the Greatest Game On Earth and instead seem to have purchased the Next Installment Of Halo.

Still fun though so don't think I'm blasting it... just expected a bit more from Edge's (paid?) review.

[Jebus]

Should you really be comparing PC to console though? Control is completely different and importantly all the specs are the same on console, no aim bots, no uber gaming mouse.

Now games like "Shadowrun" are cross platform, I think comparing PC to Console is a little more justified than it once was...

[Rossco]

Well it is The Next Installment of Halo as you say so...

[rmoxon]

Now games like "Shadowrun" are cross platform, I think comparing is a little more justified than it once was...

A big complaint against Shadowrun seems to be this very thing though, to make sure everyone was equal it has horrible auto aiming even on PC.

[Jebus]

Can't say I found the aiming bad at all if I'm honest.

[rmoxon]

Well I havent played it on the PC, just what Ive often read about it.

[iloveannie]

Well it is The Next Installment of Halo as you say so...

...and there's always one

[Simmy]

Plays like Halo 1 and 2 to me.

Petty comments I know but was expecting the Greatest Game On Earth and instead seem to have purchased the Next Installment Of Halo.

Plays like Halo 1 and 2 you say - You've ended up with the next instalment of Halo you say - SHOCKING STUFF

Sorry for the sarcasm, but what the f*ck did you expect when you bought it ?

[rmoxon]

Also to these people complaining becuase Halo 3 dosnet push boundries, I'm not really sure why you expected it too, I never knew anyone thought it was going too. If somthing isnt broke, you dont need to fix it, you just make it better and thats all they were ever going to do with Halo 3, thats all I thought most people really wanted. Not everything needs to be a genre defining moment.

God Of War 2 is probabaly my favorite game of the last year, and at its heart thats basicaly just like the first game, but its alot better in my opinion for the same reason Halo 3 is better than 2, the developers have just tweaked it to near perfection, ironed out the repetative level design and just given us the best Halo experience they could manage.