Halo 3

[iloveannie]

Plays like Halo 1 and 2 you say - You've ended up with the next instalment of Halo you say - SHOCKING STUFF

Sorry for the sarcasm, but what the f*ck did you expect when you bought it ?

An Edge 10/10. Meaning quite simply groundbreaking and exemplary. I'm sorry that my original post didn't suck Bungie's cock but hey whadya know. Guess I'm getting too old to be a gamer now. And really don't like seeing people jumped on each time they say something mildly critical about x game. Well maybe not jumped on but, heck, my post wasn't that bad. Just said I expected more that's all.

And so Oliver leaves to live life as a cockney pickpocket...

[Concept]

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Not sure about the Brutes although Halo 3 seemed to imply that either the Elites were extremely cocky or they were much better at ship battles as the Shipmaster or Arbiter replies when told that the Brutes outnumber them three to one that the odds are even.

I thought 'Reclaimer' was a Forerunner designation which Guilty Spark and Penitent Tangent (or whatever the Delta Halo's monitor was called) both referred to the Master Chief as. It's not just the armour either as they also called a marine in the Library a reclaimer.

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I thought that too, but it would have helped if the Elites had given a couple of sentences at least to fleshout the complete shoeing-under-the-carpet of the Brute plotline at the end. As things stand, there's no closure there so the war 'ending' as Hood states seems a bit of a copout. As for the reclaimer designation - I agree, it backs up the impression that humans belong to the same species (or are a variant of) the Forerunners. The Prophet of Truth demonstrates he needs either Keyes or Johnson to fire the rings when he mentions how they were left behind for being weak.

[Gerry Helmet]

It wasn't bad what you said, in fact it was entriley true, however you used it as it a criticism and it makes little to no sense.

Tbh there seems to be glut of folk who have said the same, and as I (and most others) said to them wtf did you expect from a name titled halo3

Im sure when you sit down and play the new mario or gran turismo or MGS or DMC they will so different from the last only the name will give it away as being part of a series

OMG no the Chubby plumber again.....

[Uli]

anyone found a video for this "IWHBYD" skull. the link provided below mentions it, but i couldn't find it yet.

http://www.halo3planet.com/halo-3-skull-locations/iwhbyd-skull/

[Bleeders]

There's a link on page 92.

[Concept]

An Edge 10/10. Meaning quite simply groundbreaking and exemplary. I'm sorry that my original post didn't suck Bungie's cock but hey whadya know. Guess I'm getting too old to be a gamer now. And really don't like seeing people jumped on each time they say something mildly critical about x game. Well maybe not jumped on but, heck, my post wasn't that bad. Just said I expected more that's all.

There are a lot of people who don't believe it's a ten either. The problem with how many people react to Bungie is that it's usually two extremes. Those who are madly in love with Halo and those who think it's the most overhyped first-person-shooter in existence.

[B1gBeard]

Well Yeah, Of course Im being defensive (though not sure about over) becuase I like to think consoles offer just as much as PC's and vice versa and dont like seeing people talked down too either for that matter. You can like what you wont, its just that your reasons seem slightly obscure and also overly nastalgic of games like quake that when played to do wouldnt really hold up to Halo 3 gameplay wise.

ANyway your opinion just seems to be the complete oposite of mine, the enemy A.I. in this game is as good as in half life 2 IMO, the only difference being that the enemies in this games all have a far broarder range of personalities (grunts are still quite obviously dumb for instance)
and of course the freindly A.i. does indeed suck which is a negative.

The Story isnt poorly written at all though, it is just pretty complex yet dosnet want to be Metal gear solid so they keep movies to a minimum and just requires you to think, perhapse too much so ( myself included as I would personaly rather worry about the gameplay than what a forerunner is), but the atmosphere and scale of it all still shines through for me.

Youre description of the harder difficulties isnt entirely acturate either, they require you to be good at them, thats all. Weird that I keep going back to Devil May Cry 3, but that game is similar in this way also, most people would probabaly die over and over on the hardest diffculty, but then you have other people who put the required hours into the game that they could probabaly complete it without dying once (maybe). Halo 3 is like it in that it caters for both the casual and hardcore player. For me Heroic is perfectly balanced, I was never frustrated by it, even at the moments I died alot, becuase I knew it was usualy my fault. (besides that bastard bit with the two scarabs I mean...)

As for saying you should like Halo becuase its Halo... no thats not true. Despite them being popular I dont Like the Metal Gear Solid games to be honest becuase I think they have poor gameplay and are getting more and more Fiddly to play (the new one looks cool but also even more fiddly still). I actualy have valid reasons though for not liking those games (which I wont go into), here youre just saying things that most people can see are clearly untrue, and if anything seem to be attacking it JUST becuase its Halo, almost hypocriticaly if you will.

Aye its all about experiences and ours just differ.

I've had a fair few occasions where the AI will stand around stupidly on Heroic while I sniped it to death even when I gave it time after the first shot to hide in near cover.

I've also had quite a few occasions, one where I was hiding in some concrete pipes surrounded by a dozen or so big boys, that allowed me to keep popping my head out and having a shot until I had picked them off one by one when the pipes were probably the most obvious part for a flank I've seen in the game. When I would pop my head back in they would act as though I was no longer there until I popped my head out again.

Maybe if I replayed it these things would be different and they were just glitches, maybe not.

I would say I am still learning the ways of using a controller for FPS games but even so I consider myself a very experienced FPS gamer. Some parts were indeed my skill level with the controller but for me there were too many other parts of the game that are just too cheap when playing on Heroic and Legendary. Strangely I found the two scarabs easy as the game allows you to hide behind a rock firing a pea shooter at the legs until it collapses which was another thing that was a bit of a shame.

I think I've outlined quite clearly why I'm not keen on the single player game, including the issues I've noted above. For me these have been valid reasons I have experienced and so to say they are clearly untrue is a bit bizarre tbh. Its not as though a large percentage of the Halo playing population are here refuting what I think. When you say most people its a handful out of the millions playing the game.

I think here we seem to be accusing each other of knocking the game because its Halo and not knocking it because it is. I'm happy to agree to disagree as quite obviously we have no where left to go with it. You've had your experiences and I've had mine. They differ for whatever reason.

[Brats]

Your argument seems to be that as some people on the forum here don't agree with me but with you, then you've won the argument.

No, that others agree with me is but one small part of my argument. You should read my post again.

Your argument that other games have adopted the shield because its the best idea, when the game industry is as Lemming based as it is is also a bit of a weak argument.

The game industry is lemming like, but it does at least have a tendency to adopt good ideas. I can't think of any really bad design choices that was first displayed in a single game and then was adopted by the many others.

Also, the health/quicksave device used by most FPS up to Hao was criticised by many quarters before Bungie came up with the neat solution for it.

Ultimately, myself and others re putting forward arguents with reasoning behind them and you're just saying it's 'horses for courses' without any substance to back up your claims.

[TheBlackLodge]

An Edge 10/10. Meaning quite simply groundbreaking and exemplary.

Last I checked all an Edge 10 meant was "Ten".......

[iloveannie]

It wasn't bad what you said, in fact it was entriley true, however you used it as it a criticism and it makes little to no sense.

Having read what is is that I did wrote I would have to say I agree with you. But criticism is always misused. It's what we all do of everything. It's how Edge came to its 10/10. Well that and the slipping standards of the mag (it's not the mag's fault people, it's just the people working there).

Anyway I'm gonna go and play Halo 3 again and see if it happens more of a smile upon my face this time Perhaps two days (just yesterday playing though really) just isn't enough to form a decent opinion? And bear in mind that I'll only be playing on single-player as multi just bores the **** out of me (good point to raise when taking my text out of context there!).

Thanks for not verbally kicking the **** out of me aswell. There's a debate raging over on Prince.org at the moment as a few of us dared to mention that Halo3, err, I mean Prince isn't the greatest unsung guitarist of all time. Same arguments every time. Just different topics.

[B1gBeard]

No, that others agree with me is but one small part of my argument. You should read my post again.



The game industry is lemming like, but it does at least have a tendency to adopt good ideas. I can't think of any really bad design choices that was first displayed in a single game and then was adopted by the many others.

Also, the health/quicksave device used by most FPS up to Hao was criticised by many quarters before Bungie came up with the neat solution for it.

Ultimately, myself and others re putting forward arguents with reasoning behind them and you're just saying it's 'horses for courses' without any substance to back up your claims.

I think if you look back I have given specific examples of what issues I have and they are no less weighty in substance to your stance that the shield is the best thing since sliced bread because other games have used it.

I'm sure some quarters also think that the shield is not such a good idea. You are basing your opinions on what some quarters think which is again, not exactly a convincing argument.

I'll end this chat with yourself now as its getting petty and I'm sure the others are pretty bored of it.

Good luck anyway.

[Brats]

There are a lot of people who don't believe it's a ten either. The problem with how many people react to Bungie is that it's usually two extremes. Those who are madly in love with Halo and those who think it's the most overhyped first-person-shooter in existence.

The problem is that those who don't like Halo (which is perfectly fine on its own) seem to have a MAHOOSIVE problem in acknowledging the pretty blatant innovations the game made to the genre. It took B1gBeard a huge number of posts to acknowledge the melee attack and he isn't alone.

It's seems odd that people can't dislike a game and yet also respect it. I'm not a fan of Half Life 2, but I can certainly respect the art, the setting and the storytelling.

[Concept]

Having read what is is that I did wrote I would have to say I agree with you. But criticism is always misused. It's what we all do of everything. It's how Edge came to its 10/10. Well that and the slipping standards of the mag (it's not the mag's fault people, it's just the people working there).

Anyway I'm gonna go and play Halo 3 again and see if it happens more of a smile upon my face this time Perhaps two days (just yesterday playing though really) just isn't enough to form a decent opinion? And bear in mind that I'll only be playing on single-player as multi just bores the **** out of me (good point to raise when taking my text out of context there!).

Thanks for not verbally kicking the **** out of me aswell. There's a debate raging over on Prince.org at the moment as a few of us dared to mention that Halo3, err, I mean Prince isn't the greatest unsung guitarist of all time. Same arguments every time. Just different topics.

I'm only on single-player too. Are you playing Heroic?

It's what I'm going through now and it's almost a completely different game, like the first Halo was on Legendary.

[Brats]

I think if you look back I have given specific examples of what issues I have and they are no less weighty in substance to your stance that the shield is the best thing since sliced bread because other games have used it.

I'm sure some quarters also think that the shield is not such a good idea. You are basing your opinions on what some quarters think which is again, not exactly a convincing argument.

If I were basing my argument exclusively on that point, then I'd say you were correct. But I'm not, so you aren't. My argument is much more complex and you seem happy just to pick up on a very small aspect of it (and not the main point either).

Therefore it seems pointless to argue with you until you stop being so selective in your responses.

[Uli]

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I thought that too, but it would have helped if the Elites had given a couple of sentences at least to fleshout the complete shoeing-under-the-carpet of the Brute plotline at the end. As things stand, there's no closure there so the war 'ending' as Hood states seems a bit of a copout. As for the reclaimer designation - I agree, it backs up the impression that humans belong to the same species (or are a variant of) the Forerunners. The Prophet of Truth demonstrates he needs either Keyes or Johnson to fire the rings when he mentions how they were left behind for being weak.

the story is poorly told in the cutscenes, i think this is out of question. what do the terminals add in terms of story telling? someone already checked this out? i came across a terminal once but i didn't seem to be able to access it? how does it work?

something in Halo 3's storyline still puzzles me: why does the Prophet of Truth not

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fire the Halo ring when he finally has the chance? Master Chief clearly says in the cutscene they'll be coming too late to stop him but then they make it nonetheless!?

someone actually got this? is it maybe because

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he would have needed the Index key too?