Halo 3

[Lyris]

Surely the skill in sniping is having a sharp eye and being able to spot small movements that are far off in the distance? Not doing battle with a game pad - you know exactly where you want to aim, but the communication between the player and the game doesn't always allow for it.

[EvilBoris]

Tell that to he bastards that Snipe me whilist they are moving at 60MPH through the air

[Rossco]

That's the whole point though. Since when did easier = better? Sniper rifles on a M + KB just feel cheap to me, like clicking on heads. I might as well be using MS Word.

Sniper kills with a joypad take skill. God forbid Halo should become yet another sniper fest .

Yeah I TOTALLY agree mate! Thats why I'm against M + KB especially for a console game like this, if they brought it in for Halo 3 I would sell the game and never play it again. Would completely ruin it.

Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against M + KB on PC games but even then, I'd rather be able to plug a pad in. Thats why I'm looking forward to playing HL2 soon on the 360 pad!

[Rossco]

Tell that to he bastards that Snipe me whilist they are moving at 60MPH through the air

You mean MrKirov! Seen a video he made of him jumping through the mancannon on Valhalla and sniping someone to the side of the map while he was mid air! Was amazing! So that shows people can do it, its just a skill that needs mastering. Not that the pad isn't up the task at all, because it is 100%!

[Malc]

You mean MrKirov! Seen a video he made of him jumping through the mancannon on Valhalla and sniping someone to the side of the map while he was mid air! Was amazing! So that shows people can do it, its just a skill that needs mastering. Not that the pad isn't up the task at all, because it is 100%!

I saw that video aswell, damn good!

Also have you seen how many EXP you'll need to get to the highest rank possible...5000 EXP!!!

[Brats]

I like a challenge, but not when the challenge is related to poor control. Isn't that like saying it's more fun to drive a car that has its steering wheel clamped?

I'd say it's more like playing Samba de Amigo with the Maraccas or with a game pad. It's much easier with a pad, but it's not nearly as enjoyable, nor does it feel right.

As a big fan of Silent Scope, I'm pretty certain that the skill required to snipe with a pad is much more like a proper sniper rifle than a mouse ever is.

[rmoxon]

My point was that I was enquiring as to whether the people feeling a bit flat about the game were longtime PC gamers. Its easier to be very impressed with the Halo series if it was your first introduction to FPS gaming. I would certainly be a lot more blown away with Halo if I had not played the genre for many years on the PC.

I consider myself a gamer. I couldn't really give a toss what platform a game is on. If its a good game, thats all that matters so I'm not sure what being similar to a PC Zone writer has to do with it. Its pretty logical that seeing as the PC is the machine for FPS's, and console FPS's are still relatively new, comparisons are made.

The game as a package is amazing, especially for a Halo fan. I just think for myself, the single player was very uninspiring in comparison to games I have played before with really only the middle 3 levels shining through.

I played a fair bit of CTF, Territories etc over the weekend and had some fun. Again though, its nothing that games like Unreal Tournament haven't been doing for years. Yes, the front end and options are amazing, but when push comes to shove and you get into the game itself, I guess I was expecting more of an experience than what I had had many years ago.

Your comments on Quake strike me as strange. At the time Quake revolutionised multi-player gaming. The gameplay was absolutely pure. Halo 3's impact for console gaming is huge, but imo its not for FPS gaming as a whole.

My comments strike you as strange?, it dosnet matter how much Quake revolutionised multiplayer gaming, you said that Halo 3 didnt show much progression from a game like quake, I was just saying it clearly has.

Halo 3 isnt revolutionary, even on consoles it isnt, and the reason I compared you to PC zone was becuase like their writers you were almost talking down to console gamers by saying "Halo 3 is revolutionary for console gamers". I dont know if you meant too, but you came across as thinking yourself superior for playing shooters on the PC, you still clearly are taking the same tone in this post too. You also say Halo 3's impact is huge for console gamers... this is also untrue, especialy considering the fact that its so "uninspired" as you noted. Halo was an important console game, it was an important game in general, Halo 3 is just a great one.

Anyway I stand by my opinion that Halo 3 still has better gameplay than any PC first person shooter since half life 2... maybe its not the most inspired thing ever, but as someone who loves purely brilliant gameplay I personaly have to love it. I dont even play multiplayer shooters often by the way, this is me talking soley about the quality of its campaign.

[Onii]

I agree, there hasn't been any shooter on the PC that is close to CS 1.6, and that is OLD, and the scene is dead; its **** now imo etc...
Halo 3 if an awesome game, it only really competes with PC shooters because it is online like them, I myself will continue to play Halo 3 for a while, like I did 1.6. Basically lack of good online FPS' on the PC made me buy the 360 :|. But RTS games are unrivled on the PC!

Back on topic; Really enjoyed the game, like someone else said it felt exactly the right length. I was somewhat dissapointed with the ending however, but meh the multiplayer makes up for that.

[Concept]

This may have already been resolved.

H
this "story conclusion" (if one dares to call it like this) is Halo 3 biggest weak spot. it just isn't answering any of the more interesting questions in a satisfying way. for instance, what about the Forerunners?

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and why does Guilty Spark suddenly call Master Chief a Forerunner!?

also a lot of puzzles are left for me, as for instance,

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why does the Prophet of Truth not fire the Halo rings when he has the chance? but instead prefers to wait for the cavalry to arrive at the scene?

Because the delay is there for dramatic setup.

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There are a lot of things you have to suspend your disbelief for in Halo, though that isn't to excuse the complete disregard for the flood still on Delta Halo and the skimming over what happens to the Brutes at the 'end' when Hood declares the war over.

As for Guilty Spark calling the Chief 'Forerunner'. I thought it was more or less confirmed that humans were part of the same race and left behind, as someone earlier in this thread pointed out to the Prophet of Truth insinuating in a late cutscene.

[MrKirov]

You mean MrKirov! Seen a video he made of him jumping through the mancannon on Valhalla and sniping someone to the side of the map while he was mid air! Was amazing! So that shows people can do it, its just a skill that needs mastering. Not that the pad isn't up the task at all, because it is 100%!

Totally agree!!

I've admittedly always been a sniping bastard on halo, and as such am able to wield the controller FAR better than I can the M +KB. This is from someone thats been playing Quake/UT and so on, constantly for years.

[Oh_Mutants]

I love Halo 3 but there is just NO way I can agree with that statement. I did not enjoy the Cortana level one bit, not a single bit.

For me the reason I don't like it is that for one, the only enemies are the flood and I don't enjoy fighting them much, and for two, the environment is very bland and so repetetive to the point you aren't sure at times if you've gone in a big circle or are in fact on the right spot! It's completely different from the rest of the game for me, because the rest of the game is simply sublime.

Is this referring to the level where

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you first have to fight the flood, about level 5 or so, where you first find Cortana

or is it another, more annoying level later on? I'm halfway through level 6, pacing myself

[rmoxon]

They are talking about level 8, and its much more annoying, lthe level youre talking about is pretty good I think despite having lots of flood. Level 8 is just badly designed and very frustrating to play at some points.

[Oh_Mutants]

They are talking about level 8, and its much more annoying, lthe level youre talking about is pretty good I think despite having lots of flood. Level 8 is just badly designed and very frustrating to play at some points.

Damn Yeah i didn't think level 5 was too bad at all actually, ah well something to look forward to

[JohnMcL7]

This may have already been resolved.



Because the delay is there for dramatic setup.

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There are a lot of things you have to suspend your disbelief for in Halo, though that isn't to excuse the complete disregard for the flood still on Delta Halo and the skimming over what happens to the Brutes at the 'end' when Hood declares the war over.

As for Guilty Spark calling the Chief 'Forerunner'. I thought it was more or less confirmed that humans were part of the same race and left behind, as someone earlier in this thread pointed out to the Prophet of Truth insinuating in a late cutscene.

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Not sure about the Brutes although Halo 3 seemed to imply that either the Elites were extremely cocky or they were much better at ship battles as the Shipmaster or Arbiter replies when told that the Brutes outnumber them three to one that the odds are even.

I thought 'Reclaimer' was a Forerunner designation which Guilty Spark and Penitent Tangent (or whatever the Delta Halo's monitor was called) both referred to the Master Chief as. It's not just the armour either as they also called a marine in the Library a reclaimer.

[capcom_suicide]

Thanks to EvilB!

I turned on the iron skull and then whenever a member of the party dies, you go back to the last (frequent) checkpoint.

BRILLIANT! Turns the whole game around and makes it a tactical slow paced affair, much more to my taste.

We played level 1 on legendary, but couldn't get past the end of level structure, just too damn hard!

I'm up for trying that again, and feel just like a did when I first played GRAW chapter 2 on coop, "I'll never beat this." But I know I will, and it will be be ooooh so satisfying!

Nice work to Bungie for adding a skull which completely changes the pace of the game.

This won't be sold now, I have the whole thing to do on Legendary! The design and AI shine at this level IMHO, and I enjoyed the game more than any other session.

Game on.

On the downside, every few hours of coop the game starts to stutter and I have to reboot. Anyone else get that?