VF4 Evo crouch dash buffer theory

[Saurian]

That's so typical of Sega, when I was with them more than half the people I worked with had never played a videogame before (and these were engineers and senior management )

I'm having problems with my style tho >_<
My execution is good, I can Dragon Lance, SPOD, crouch dash buffer anytime I want in any direction - it's just that I constantly **** up throw cancels, counters and dodges. I can do all of them perfectly but I always throw each tech at completely the wrong time. For example when I get up and you're waiting I'm going to get pwned because I always get the counter wrong. If I counter for grabs I get smacked, if I counter attacks I get grabbed >_<, I need to develop a style so that I dont get put in that situation.

But for now - it's ALL PUMP IT UP BABY! (at least until 20:30 today anyway - then it's back 2 Evo )

[optimusomega]

I'm having problems with my style tho >_<
My execution is good, I can Dragon Lance, SPOD, crouch dash buffer anytime I want in any direction - it's just that I constantly **** up throw cancels, counters and dodges. I can do all of them perfectly but I always throw each tech at completely the wrong time. For example when I get up and you're waiting I'm going to get pwned because I always get the counter wrong. If I counter for grabs I get smacked, if I counter attacks I get grabbed >_<, I need to develop a style so that I dont get put in that situation.

Yeah I sometimes have this problem, my advice is to keep it simple and try to watch the opponents movements closely, bassically once your on the floor the opponent has more of an advantage (look up okizeme techniques on virtuafighter.com), it's also a matter of guessing, reading your opponent from past behaviour, but you see i'm unpredictable which is a problem

[yashiro]

Further to my attempts to become great with a joystick...
I would seriously recommend a Hori Stick over an Ascii FT for VF.

The Ascii seems overly sensitive and diagonals are tricky to do with 100% accuracy. I switched from the FT to Hori, within minutes I was visibly better and failure rates for complex moves were much reduced. The only disadvantage is it doesn't sit on your lap as comfortably as the FT but you soon adjust to this.
The FT is still a fantastic stick but seems too sensitive for a big lug like myself.


So if you're looking to pick up a stick for VF - go Hori. I'd recommend one of the new Soul Calibur sticks as they will lend themselves to all other fighting games. The official VF stick, while cool, is pretty useless for any other game.

Now for buffering crouch stuff.. another nifty move I've been messing with is 43+P,46+P. At the end of the 43+P you're considered crouching so a quick and easy double palm is childsplay. Of course 43+P is damn slow so you've got to be careful.

[NeilMcRae]

I co do movie shoots of people playing in London and put them up for viewing... got a DVCam amd premiere

[JU!]

Great tech info on VF4 evo Saur, i'll work on my skills n try to beat sum peeps on VF4 at Namco station Nottingham. N Tokuda i'll try visit that arcade when i'm in Japan if i can. Even though i'll get battered every time

I agree Yashiro i've got the SC2 stick it's ace, i need to get another though.

[Shoju]

VF is like a non physical sport now depth wise, like snooker or darts. But as in those the correct grip of the dart or cue is important before getting anywhere. Is there a particular way the arcade stick should be held?

[Saurian]

I co do movie shoots of people playing in London and put them up for viewing... got a DVCam amd premiere

I've got LOADS of vids of us challenging - I'll pass em on if you like (I just have to convert them to mpeg first - will try and do them all tonight)

[jide]

VF is like a non physical sport now depth wise, like snooker or darts. But as in those the correct grip of the dart or cue is important before getting anywhere. Is there a particular way the arcade stick should be held?

Well there is two styles on the buttons should be pressed
Thumb On G and index finger and middler finger on P and K

Or you can just use index for G, middle for P and fore for K

Play at what you feel it most comfortable at

[Saurian]

There are videos on Evo of guys performing SPOD, Dragon Lance, juggles with Kage, Wolf combos into grabs into more grabs etc.

With 1 hand.

Execution is something you really have to practice, it's about finding your style as Jide says and also about learning the tempo of this game. The key is to practice until there is minimal effort to execute commands - they arent fast, just accurate.

[Molloy]

It's amazing how much it helps in VF if you make small accurate commands. You really get a sense of progression in your skill. I used to wrestle with sticks and it was doing me no favours at all.

[Shoju]

Yeah, when I do a complex move under match pressure I tend to get tense rush the move and mess it up.

I got particular problems tying to wavedash quickly in Tekken Tag.

[jide]

There are videos on Evo of guys performing SPOD, Dragon Lance, juggles with Kage, Wolf combos into grabs into more grabs etc.

With 1 hand.

Execution is something you really have to practice, it's about finding your style as Jide says and also about learning the tempo of this game. The key is to practice until there is minimal effort to execute commands - they arent fast, just accurate.

yeah i saw those in LOL on the EVO disc too funny. How he does the tft combo with 1 hand and he does it with ease aswell.

[Tokuda]

As Saur has said, improving your finger dexterity is key to becoming a wicked player and often separates those who are very good players to those who are amazing.

For example, one of the best female players in Japan (she might be in the green book DVD), `First Angel` is an excellent Akira player, but her finger dexterity, although good, doesn`t match the best Akira players around. She for example isn`t able to pull off his most difficult moves at will like the very best players. (I`e been watching her closely, and although she is a brilliant player, it seems to me her next step in mastering Akira is really getting to grips with executing a couple of his moves).

[Saurian]

I've noticed the way Muki plays and I have blatantly been teefing everything he does :P The way he executes commands is very light and totally relaxed, this is key.

The guy is a real technicial with Akira, he will never actually miss anything due to his input - he will make tactical mistakes but will NEVER be caught out by fumbling commands. The guy buffers Akira's knee into double palm back into the knee FFS! >_<

If you start being forcefull with the stick your commands are not accurate and are MUCH slower. I have been checking this in training mode, you knock so much time off your inputs if you practice execution.

[Tokuda]

Totally.

Both Muki and Ouso are technical masters of Akira. They will very rarely miss any combo or mess up their command (I have seen them do it once or twice, although that is out of at least a couple hundred matches I`ve seen them play).

I`m off to Shinjuku Sportsland on Friday again Saur

I saw that wicked female Jacky player today (she is so fine, and I have to say I fancy her a little) and challenged her (got beaten badly 3rounds to 1). Today was a pretty good day Evo wise- been winning more than losing lately which is encouraging.