DOA3 better than VF4e

[Saurian]

Thats the best thing about Evo - it's stupidly simple to get started but there is no ceiling as to how good you can get or how much into it you are. It's like a sport - players here respect manz like Segaru, Chibita and Shu as they would famous sports stars, and they rightly should be.

There is nothing going on in the UK because people dont like to get involved in anything - we have to look to Japan for inspiration as there is nothing here. If more people would just try we could have a wicked VF scene here.

The best thing about VF is that you can learn in smal steps - EVERYTHING in VF can be countered or escaped. If you find that a certain technique is hurting you often you can learn how to deal with that technique - but not by simply hitting a button, you have to counter technique with technique and so the fight flows beautifully all the time you are building on your vocabulary of attacks, counters and dodges. You dont have to memorise an entire move and frame listing to get good with a character, you learn in small steps and it's very rewarding.

[PeteJ]

No, I've never played VF4 or Evo, which is why I sound so clueless.

I will be buying the game when it is released on PAL, but I am put off somewhat by the extent of technical terms and apparent depth. Looking forward to it more now though, which is good.

[Nimmel]

I mean people wouldn't have started to play evo in the first place if it wasn't fun!

But if they were already expert players at the previous VF games then the chances are they would find it fun to play. I feel it's the rest of us that have purely played Tekken and SC etc that have worries after reading post after post of how deep the game is whether it will be actually any fun just to pick it up and play every now and then.

Edit: I seem to have said exactly what PeteJ said but about 5 secs later.

[Saurian]

I really dont understand that attitude at all, how can you have fun by just banging buttons? Dont you enjoy challenge?

Nothing takes off properly in the UK as people always make excuses for not wanting to work at anything and I'm sick of it. The dancegame scene totally died a while back because nobody can be bothered to promote - you finally manage to arrange an event and nobody bothers to practice any routines while players in the rest of the world are flinging out MTV standard choreography....it's so boring.

[Nimmel]

Nothing takes off properly in the UK as people always make excuses for not wanting to work at anything and I'm sick of it

It's just that without another friend inclined to spend as much time learning the game as I might (which is unlikely see my first post)there seems little point in practising night after night unless the one player is... ahem... the best thing EVAR!!!1!

Bet I could kick your arse at HALO and Samba though.

Edit: Gaming is all wrong you have all the time to play the games when you're young but little cash and when you're old you have all the cash and none of the time.

[Mayhem]

I really dont understand that attitude at all, how can you have fun by just banging buttons? Dont you enjoy challenge?

The "l33t" hardcore view here Saur

Remember most of us here aren't casual gamers. You'll find casual gamers are far less likely to go depth, practice, time and commitment. And they will just hit the buttons when casually playing fighters, I've seen it. Doesn't mean they don't get any enjoyment out of it, but I know us as the people we are, wouldn't be satisfied with just that...

[Soi]

I'm really looking forward to getting into EVO. I've got quite into SC2 over the last couple of months, and while I think it is great, I've always preffered reversal/throw moves. I like the "soft" fighting style of reversal based characters, and am really looking forward to getting some in EVO. I'm also looking forward to a decent set of AI oponents. I'm new to the VF series (only palyed them every now and again in the arcade over the years, but never got remotely good), but think EVO will suit me well.

For the first time since 1998 (before discovered that PAL conversions were ****e at the time), I'm actually looking forward to the PAL release of a fighting game, as I want the great tute mode to be in English.

PeteJ: Don't be scared of the depth of EVO. At its heart it is a very simple game to get to grips with. Two fighters, 3 buttons, first one to lose all their health doesn't win. It is not a game for button mashers as just hitting the buttons won't do anything fancy, and you'll lose. Contrast to SC2, where hitting lots of buttons can do some fancy stuff -not that hitting the buttons will get you far at all mind.

The huge depth that people talk about in EVO should not put you off, but should reassure you that any time you do put into the game will be rewarded. Unlike DOA, which is just a high/low guessing game -sort of like fast paced snap, compared to the faced paced poker of EVO. (sorry for the ****ty card analogy)

[Kei]

I mean people wouldn't have started to play evo in the first place if it wasn't fun!

But if they were already expert players at the previous VF games then the chances are they would find it fun to play. I feel it's the rest of us that have purely played Tekken and SC etc that have worries after reading post after post of how deep the game is whether it will be actually any fun just to pick it up and play every now and then.

Edit: I seem to have said exactly what PeteJ said but about 5 secs later.

Well I used to be a pretty much SC2 player through and through only started playing vf4 evo like 3/4 months ago and i'm loving it!

K

[ZeroRisk]

I must say that it's very hard to practice, and get good, at a game if you don't have anyone to challenge to make you better.

Sure, I can sit here on my own playing SC2 against the AI, but would I really be learning anything? No.

I played SC2 with my Bro for a week or so after I got it. Then he had to get back to studying, which left me back to AI.
None of my mates are really into games as much as me and it's very hard to get into a 'rhythm' with a fighter.

I would love to get Evo, and I probably will, but without people to challenge, I'll only be as good as the AI.

[Prine]

I dunno, each game offer different types of satisfaction. When i have my boys come down they're always up for some DOA, and that?s because it feels good to put people through walls, off cliffs and rooftops.
On the other hand my cousins who i get to spend a lot of time with absolutely love VF, we're always on it trying to outsmart each other sidestepping, countering etc.
The overall impact of VF games comes with time imo, you have to put a lot in to realize its the most intricate fighting system to date. I can see why a beginner would feel completely underwhelmed with VF and completely satisfied with DOA on their first few try's. Its not because they're ignorant, its just how each game chooses to introduce the player to thier world.

That said i personally think VF4 is leagues ahead of DOA3, but sometime I get the urge for some over the top action, and DOA fulfills my needs.

[Soi]

I played SC2 with my Bro for a week or so after I got it. Then he had to get back to studying, which left me back to AI.
None of my mates are really into games as much as me and it's very hard to get into a 'rhythm' with a fighter.

I would love to get Evo, and I probably will, but without people to challenge, I'll only be as good as the AI.

I'll play SC2 against you, PM if you want to come round sometime. That goes for anyone else reading this too, I see gaming as a primarily a social activity and rarely play games on my own except to practice for 2-player sessions.

As for the AI in EVO, I've not played it, but one of the reaons why I'm looking forward to it is that the AI is meant to be decent.

[Molloy]

The problem with beat-em-ups is the arcade machines aren't selling anymore.

When Street Fighter 2 came out here in Ireland nobody played it. They'd just try to button mash like in Final Fight and they'd get nowhere. But it started to catch on after a bit. Suddenly there were machines in pubs, newsagents and shopping centers. People learnt how to fireball, uppercut. People started learning the more obscure characters like Zangief.. they even held tournaments in my local games rental shop at one point.

Until arcade machines start to do big numbers like SF2 did 1on1 fighters won't take off again. They need to be in public places so you can play them often without having go to a dedicated arcade.

Sega just killed the market with overpriced deluxe amusement ****. They should have kept things small and cheap instead of marginalising the audience for their products.

The average person isn't going to pay a pound for three and a half minutes of entertainment. I don't blame them.

[Nimmel]

Street Fighter 2

That is the one and only fighting game (the snes and MD turbo versions) I have ever been properly good at, as I got to sit about for 2 years with a selection of 8 or so other people and play it day in day out with them. Didn't do much for my degree though.

Oh for a time machine.

[Canton Province]

I must say that it's very hard to practice, and get good, at a game if you don't have anyone to challenge to make you better.

Sure, I can sit here on my own playing SC2 against the AI, but would I really be learning anything? No.

I played SC2 with my Bro for a week or so after I got it. Then he had to get back to studying, which left me back to AI.
None of my mates are really into games as much as me and it's very hard to get into a 'rhythm' with a fighter.

I would love to get Evo, and I probably will, but without people to challenge, I'll only be as good as the AI.

Alex, you should come down and try out my advanced Raph techniques.

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Saur,

you have to realise that the culture here is different to Japan. Peeps here still have video games classed as a geeks toy. Of course the playstation has made it more sociable in terms of games like fifa and GTA. But to get deep into a game requires time patience and most importantly, hard work. Which the japanese are renowned for. In our society pub and bars are where the majority of peeps spend there time. As such the attention span is less so. Therfore DOA 3 is more suitable. Besides, a game which looks good, is easy to beat, and is a cheap thrill (ala bouncing chests) will always grab attention. The Japanese have had to work hard all there lives, its in their up bringing. Im not gonna get into politics and ****e, but the fact is England is a lazy country compared to most. Please dont flame me, cos its a perception im come across many times.

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