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    #61
    Not to be rude or anything, but you're being hypocrytical there. At one moment you're asking for people to have an open mind to accept different viewpoints, then you're critising Edge for portraying different viewpoints.
    No. I'm criticising EDGE for not having a consistent editorial stance. Being diversive does not necessarily mean being open minded. For every point of view EDGE uses in one of its issues, that sometimes gets shut just as quickly in the next. Through that sense, and I'll say it again if I haven't already, EDGE appears in a constant state of flux. It doesn't know what it wants to be. The equivalent if you will of opening up lots of avenues for exploration, and then not fully exploring them all to the same degree. Of course, this could be down to the individual focus of its editorial pull, and the direction the magazine's writers want to take with the magazine.

    Yet, I was critising EDGE for being contradictory in terms of its attitude from one issue to the next without justification or detailed reason. If the magazine could explain and justify why it hails and condemns different viewpoints in such a rapid fashion, then perhaps I could get a better handle on these differing attitudes and understand them more. But either the time, space, knowledge or consideration isn't there to do that at this moment. It's all subjective to opinion though... But then, we are in a thread debating why the hardcore is being chastised by the media right now. Even EDGE said itself in the opening of its most recent issue, that after they heyday of the Playstation boom ended, interest of the mainstream died away to a certain extent. And this lead to a disturbing thought in my mind... Is that a valid reason for why specific sectors of the dedicated community are being witch-hunted in the media? Do we have to be alienated and isolated as a cause for holding back videogaming, and preventing it from achieving mainstream recognition once more?

    Hmm. That seemed a little like the blame game to me. Sorry, but that's how it came across.

    I'm not trying to justify what Edge is saying, or their current quality, but I've always seen them as a magazine who will give both sides the the same arguement , and letting the readers decide on which opinion they want to go with. Isn't this giving readers an opportunity to be open minded?
    In terms of the 'crusading against the hardcore' argument, I don't think the magazine is offering up enough depth in how it views that particular sector of the market. As others have said, there is a difference between being 'hardcore' or passionate about something, and also being snobby or elitist. In fact, there are huge number of shades of grey when it comes to looking into this. But when you're writing a column or a short article piece then good ol' generalisation tends to rear its head when it comes to getting over a point of view, in the quickest and most direct possible way. Space, space, space. Being generalistic means you can free up space for other lines of expression.

    I agree that diversity can be a good thing when it's backed up by substance and depth... Yet I feel EDGE doesn't delve quite deep enough. Which is slightly disappointing when you consider the quality and accuracy of its journalism elsewhere in other articles. To be fair, there is only limited space to cover things in, and the relevance and importance of other pieces have to be taken into account.

    Nothing ANY magazine prints should be taken to heart. They are merely there to provide you with information. Portraying only one opinion is very narrow minded, and is something that no magazine should do (although there are plenty out there that do this, specifically platform specific mags).
    EDGE should display varying opinions. Yes. But those varying opinions are only going to carry weight for me if they are backed up by a consistent ideological vision. Sometimes it seems as though EDGE are launching attacks on certain sectors of the gaming public through a very non-specific point of view. Now, if the magazine was objective towards every sector of the demographic spectrum perhaps I wouldn't have so much problem with the inconsistency. For example:

    "The mainstream isn't the hardcore's enemy, it's its saviour, and the faster it grows the safer the things we cherish about gaming become."
    EDGE 132, Testscreen Intro

    Hmm. That sounded like one of those good ol' ending generalistic testscreen soundbites to me. You know... Like the ones EDGE poke fun at elsewhere in the mag. To put it simply, we don't know if the mainstream is the hardcore's enemy or if its saviour. None of us have a crystal ball where we can predict the future and see how it turns out. This line of thought, from my point of view, is another example of EDGE opening a can of worms. Will they explore this prediction later in the future to see if the mainstream has saved and helped transform the dedicated community? Or will it be another one of those sentences/paragraphs opening up another unexplored line of thought in a few months time? In my view, we simply don't know enough right now to say whether further mainstream implementation of this medium will be its creative saviour or not.

    Again, I feel that certain worm cans are opened which are never looked into with any significant degree.

    Oh, and as for taking things to heart... I don't think all that many do with EDGE anymore. Certainly over the past few months, the GamesTM threads have been choc-a-bloc full of different debates and topics of discussion which have made those threads the magazine focus of these forums. I think people here, myself included, were using EDGE as a current example of the present trend to bash those who don't altogether embrace the mainstream.

    But why should we feel morally compelled to for the sake of the medium? People shouldn't feel in the wrong if they don't particularly want to head in a direction others are bashing them for not going.

    It's all about choice.

    And sure, EDGE has displayed a variety of that. But as the most respected Western publication on videogaming, I feel they a responsibility in a sense to portray things in a more accurate, specific and consistent fashion than they have been doing over the past few months. When people look back in a few years to get a retrospective view of the medium's history, it's very likely that EDGE will be a focal resource of determining what was worthy of coverage during that period. At least in the UK.

    Misrepresenting certain gaming demographics by tarnishing them with the same brush will provide a simplistic and incorrect potrayal of the dedicated gaming population at large today.

    Those are my feelings.

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      #62
      "The mainstream isn't the hardcore's enemy, it's its saviour, and the faster it grows the safer the things we cherish about gaming become."
      See, how can a magazine that's been blithering on about how the mainstream gamer's ruining gaming by buying too many licensed games and sequels, for years now, say such a thing? That the mainstream gamer is now "saving" gaming?

      I agree with Concept, they need to stick to one view and stop being such blatant hyopcrites, I wouldn't be surprised if they start slagging off the mainstream again when they report on Ubi-Soft's less-than-stella sales this Christmas, although they may just pass the blame on to Ubi themselves for releasing them during the Q4 rush.

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        #63
        RedEye is a veteran videogame journalist. His views do not necessarily coincide with Edge's


        Read that. Why should the editors take a similar stance? I really think you're trying too hard to put down Edge, and to be frank, its just a magazine.

        I have been reading it for a long time now, but I wonder if some of you would still spend so much time bickering about it if its cover wasn't so shiny.

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          #64
          The quote I was talking about came from the Testscreen intro, not RedEye.

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            #65
            I was responding to Concept, not your post. Should've made that more clear.

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              #66
              Originally posted by kuran
              RedEye is a veteran videogame journalist. His views do not necessarily coincide with Edge's

              Read that. Why should the editors take a similar stance?
              I'm not suggesting the editorial departs from a central ethos which the magazine expresses. Just a bit of consistency, one way or the other will do. Or if not that, a bit of depth into covering a multitude of viewpoints if possible.

              I really think you're trying too hard to put down Edge, and to be frank, its just a magazine.

              I have been reading it for a long time now, but I wonder if some of you would still spend so much time bickering about it if its cover wasn't so shiny.
              Yes, but on the flipside of the same coin, people shouldn't feel in the wrong to criticise the magazine, which is what I've seen happen more than enough times.

              It's not about being put into two different camps of liking the magazine or trying too hard to put it down. On the contrary, I enjoy reading EDGE for the most part... But that isn't to say there aren't problems with the publication, because there are. At least in my opinion, which is all that I've expressed in this thread. If this were any other magazine being discussed and "its cover wasn't so shiny", would you bother replying to a post being critical of its current content?

              Ultimately, EDGE is just a magazine, but it's also one which generates discussion, and personally I don't see that necessarily as bad thing in itself. Positive or negative talk on a publication harbouring similar themes and ideas reflected in this thread, shouldn't be discouraged. You could say it shouldn't be encouraged either... But this is a forum for discussion of all things videogame-related, after all.

              So as long as its relevant to the central points of a thread, I don't feel we should be inclined to moderate what we say.

              But in answer to your quote up above, my previous post was more in focus of trying to reply to IcePak's points, than with any specified motive of trying to put EDGE down.

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                #67
                Originally posted by Concept
                I agree that diversity can be a good thing when it's backed up by substance and depth... Yet I feel EDGE doesn't delve quite deep enough. Which is slightly disappointing when you consider the quality and accuracy of its journalism elsewhere in other articles. To be fair, there is only limited space to cover things in, and the relevance and importance of other pieces have to be taken into account.
                Yeah, I agree with you there, that Edge doesn't go indepth with their articles anymore. There was a time when they did, and compared to more mainstream mags, they certainly go into more depth about things that other mags don't even touch. But as of late, I agree that there has been too much generalisation in Edge.

                I used to enjoy the themed issues, because through all the articles based around the same subject, they had to do enough research and get their facts right otherwise it really would have shown that they were generalising. Mind you they haven't had a themed issue for ages now (although the Transformers one came close to that, except that their article didn't have much depth) so either the writing staff are getting really lazy, or they have lost interest in the subject matter. Hopefully Mott's return will bring a breath of fresh air to the mag, because Edge has become very stale at the moment.

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                  #68
                  What I don't get is this: If Edge cares so much about the fifa-loving mainstream gamer, then why did half the team walk out when told the magazine had to be more mainstream? This issue IS written by the old team, right?

                  At the end of the day, if I want a magazine that sucks up to the mainstream I'll buy Gamesmaster, Edge is slowly becoming just like all the other mags, not the unique product it once was. Look at what happened to CodeShop and how they removed FAQ.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Rollo
                    What I don't get is this: If Edge cares so much about the fifa-loving mainstream gamer, then why did half the team walk out when told the magazine had to be more mainstream? This issue IS written by the old team, right?
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                    That was an unconfirmed rumour, though.

                    I did note with some interest that David wasn't listed in this issue so he's gone. It's a shame, he was the best member of the current team, IMO.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Ady
                      I did note with some interest that David wasn't listed in this issue so he's gone. It's a shame, he was the best member of the current team, IMO.
                      He's listed as a contributor, IIRC.

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                        #71
                        What's the difference between "Editor" and "Editor-At-Large"?

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                          #72
                          didnt anyone check Future publishings job vacancies?
                          There was a vacancy for new editor of EDGE listed last time I checked.
                          The editor is definetly out............ (?)

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                            #73
                            Tony Mott is now editor (again), as revealed a few weeks ago.

                            I believe they are looking for a staff-writer at the moment though if anyone is interested.

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