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    #46
    Originally posted by importaku
    I love when people bring up eyetoy like the idea is entirely new

    Putting yourself in a game using a camera isnt new it has been done before by nintendo on the N64DD. Talent studio used a capture cart linked to a camcorder or digital camera or even a gb camera.

    True its nowhere near as sophisticated as the eyetoy version as it uses static images but the idea was done way before eyetoy came along.



    Actually you'll find very few people on here who love nintendo europe. I dont buy anything from nintendo europe as i hate ****ty black & white manuals the thickness of a phone book with 4 pages in english & 600 in other languages. I prefer my manuals in japanese & in glorious full colour with excellent artwork.

    Overpriced games & delayed or nonexistant releases are other factors too.
    Gotta agree with this Nintendo's European arm is poor, Sony Europe isn't much better mind, MS seem to be the only ones who treat us with any kind of respect and they deserve more credit for this than anything else.

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      #47
      Originally posted by importaku
      I dont buy anything from nintendo europe as i hate ****ty black & white manuals the thickness of a phone book with 4 pages in english & 600 in other languages.
      I think the big three should class the UK, Ireland, Australia and New Zealand in the same territory as Canada and the US as english is the main language in these country's. We'd get our games a lot quicker , rather than waiting for publishers to fanny around translating the games into multi-languages.

      Our consoles could also have a PAL/NTSC option should you import any game from Can/US. That would be cool, we'd have the best version of a console, ever.

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        #48
        Originally posted by Prof Frink
        MS seem to be the only ones who treat us with any kind of respect and they deserve more credit for this than anything else.
        Totally agree with you, MS are top when it come to Europe.

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          #49
          Yeah, it's ironic. My PC-gamer Microsoft-hating friends don't understand how the gaming community is beginning to quite appreciate MS' efforts. It took me a long time to overcome my prejudices and realise that the Xbox, Xbox 360 and Xbox Live, while still the product of a corporate behemoth etc etc, are a lot more "Classic Microsoft Mouse" than they are "Windows ME"

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            #50
            Originally posted by the_dude
            I'm all for a single platform though, it would save us loads of cash.
            High five!

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              #51
              Originally posted by Prof Frink
              Gotta agree with this Nintendo's European arm is poor, Sony Europe isn't much better mind, MS seem to be the only ones who treat us with any kind of respect and they deserve more credit for this than anything else.
              Another one as well!

              Nintendo are improving but I hate the long waits & Sony are Sony.

              But there's no doubt that all 3 are improving with 60hz, full screen, improvments made to the games themselves and release dates are being shortened.

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                #52
                That was more coz Sega got more dedicated PAL gamers used to it tho ^_^

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by muse hunter
                  is it just me or is the eyetoy the biggest load of bull**** ever. It was extremely unsensitive it was a frustrating chore to use and you never felt in control as the user. In the end you resort to endless arm waving in hope before you grap the bastard device and let it taste the bottom of your shoe
                  It was still alot better than past efforts. :P But yeah I think thats part of the reason it didn't make it truly mainstream. It's simply not up to the job for "serious" games. Tho as a party game it's fantastic just for a laugh.

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                    #54
                    To get back to the original article, I do hope the Japanese consumers actually follow through on this, and make Wii their console of choice.

                    I believe it would really be good for gamers everywhere, and developers too. For too long now games have been driven by flashy graphics, to the point where gameplay is a totally secondary concern. Not always of course, but in too many cases. And because of the cost of these visuals, we've seen publishers becoming ever more conservative about what they will green light.

                    Hence we're now pretty much stuck with a choice between a new FPS, a new racing game, a new sports game, or perhaps once in a while... a new fighting game. It's so rare we see new concepts emerging.

                    This is bad for developers too, as their ideas are rarely allowed to see the light of day. Plus the amount of work and time needed for flashy 'next-gen' visuals is pretty crushing.

                    Wii is a way out, an escape route. Short development cycles and low cost, which should hopefully mean new ideas can finally be green lit. And for what it's worth, I don't have any problems with Wii visuals, they really look fine to me. Clean, smooth, and shiny. I personally think we're past they era where graphics looked crude and unappealing, so further improvements now will always be relatively small.

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                      #55
                      From this point on we're going to see smaller and smaller boosts in power between generations. We're not there yet but we're pushing CG quality visuals with the current hardware and there's only so far we can go beyond that. Where do we go next generation? The same thing but with more stuff on screen for ?400 again? At least this one can push the envelope somewhat when it comes to online games and innovate there, but what can the next ones do that we haven't seen before to a lesser degree?

                      In that sense we need something like the Wii that gives the opportunity for new stuff to be tried.

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Yoshimax-UK
                        For me, MS have earned their stripes and deserve victory this round - It'll only spur them to do even greater things with the next one.
                        I agree wholeheartedly. Also, Sony have shown their transparent cynicism in the way they 're-adapted' the PS3 controller in light of the Wii. They stooped very low indeed there, but hey, at least you'll be able to dedicate an entire processor to rendering someone's hair.

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                          #57
                          And thanks to the power of CELL, we'll see lots of Emotion, too

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                            #58
                            Weren't we supposed to see that last time?

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by MrDo
                              I think what you say here is bull****! Eyetoy is a great innovative peripheral and if Nintendo or Microsoft thought of it first, you can bet they would've released it for there consoles.

                              God of War, ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, and Gran Turismo.
                              Why is it the Sony Sheep always use Eyetoy and that list of games as the innovative Sony Products.

                              Eye Toy wasn't innovative, they were just the first company to put an already existing PC product on a console.

                              God of War, good game but hardly innovative, a game that is essentially devil may cry.
                              ICO indeed a eternal classic and Collossus certainly has a charm.
                              Gran Turismo is upto 5 games now, and has barely changed since the first one almost 10 years ago. Buckets of innovation.

                              So what is that? 2 and a half games out of hundreds of sony games?
                              You consider the sheer volume of PS2 consoles that have been sold.. over 100 million.
                              Sony give us almost 3 original games for that....great.

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by NekoFever
                                Weren't we supposed to see that last time?
                                Yeah, but we ended up being stung

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