When "easy" achievement points go wrong!

[Canton Province]

But a lot of players think those games are very good. What you're saying is that you only want to play with other players who have exactly the same taste in games as you?

No, I didn't say they had to be exact. I said it gives you a good indication about who's on your wave length. Or, shall I repeat that one more time?

[Matt]

Hate to tell you Canton Province, but it's impossible to play Tomb Raider and King Kong without getting achievement points! You complete a level in TR and you get points, and I think EVERY game is worth playing through at least one level

I've played some games I wouldn't have played to get achievement points, but is that a bad thing? I've never liked Tomb Raider, but got the newest one as I needed a new game to get some more points (WHORE!). Actually quite enjoyed it, and will definitely get the next game now. As soon as a game becomes a chore I stop though. Was going to give up on getting max points on DW5 last night when I had a bit of luck and picked up the final achievement.

Games I'd completed, I've redone to get more points - I know a lot of people on this forum have redone COD2 on Veteran for example. It's just getting more value for money. I doubt I'd have been obsessed enough with Burnout to get Perfect on every single ****ing level [took a LONG TIME!] if it wasn't for the achievement points. I know people who've done it on other versions just to open up all the cars - I wouldn't bother, it would have felt a hollow exercise, but for the points, well it was worth it Plus it added a very nice competitive edge with a mate of mine who isn't online, we were texting each other what we'd just done and trying to beat each other to each achievement.

Different strokes for different folks. There are some very easy games out there, but before you dismiss everyone with a high score, at least look to see what games they've done. Anyone doing Veteran on COD2 deserves an accolade for example.

[Canton Province]

Hate to tell you Canton Province, but it's impossible to play Tomb Raider and King Kong without getting achievement points! You complete a level in TR and you get points, and I think EVERY game is worth playing through at least one level

You can play and disregard a game before you complete a first level. Anyway, a low game score would be just effective an indication as no game score.

If your happy to buy game you never liked because you needed some more points - whatever. That's your problem. Atleast you actually enjoyed it afterall.

[MikeRox]

I ain't fussed by acheiver points, but it's annoying that a low gamerscore makes u feel **** :P

[Matt]

If your happy to buy game you never liked because you needed some more points - whatever. That's your problem. Atleast you actually enjoyed it afterall.

OK, easy there tiger! You're obviously suffering from a relatively new disorder the medical world knows as Gamerscore Envy, which is very similar to Penis Envy and easily as debilitating

My point was, my "quest" for achievements has opened up more games to me, I'm playing more and enjoying myself more.

Please remember we all have different opinions about everything, and for me and lots of people I know, achievements have given gaming a new burst of life. My biggest regret is Sony will do their own system, and I'd much prefer a unified system across all platforms.

[Brats]

No, I didn't say they had to be exact. I said it gives you a good indication about who's on your wave length. Or, shall I repeat that one more time?

You implied it. You said 'People with high gamer scores are generally playing what I would consider to be generic, average crap....This gives you an idea of the type of person that wants to add you, play you or what ever'

Why should someone playing a single player game that you consider crap affect whether you play with them or not on a different multi-player game? I have people on my list who love Tiger Woods which I can't stand, but why should that affect why I want to play COD2 with them or not.

[Canton Province]

You asked if I'd only play people with the exact same taste as me, to which I answered - no, it doesn't have to be exact. I'm not sure what else you want from me.

I'll play you regardless of whatever crap games you've played for achievement points. Whether I respect you or not is a different matter. There's nothing I've said contrary to that.

[Zed]

I ain't fussed by acheiver points, but it's annoying that a low gamerscore makes u feel **** :P

Why is that? Do you feel like people are judging you, or guilt from not having a score like them?

I say "**** it"; points do not equal skill.

Maybe it shows good traits of dedication but i bet a lot of people with high gaymer scores only do so for some sort of percieved kudos. I've played online games before and been poorly ranked, yet kicked the **** out of "elite" ranked people, and it makes one think "how did you weasle that ranking?". Sure some people might love a wide variety of games and 100% everything they play, but a bet a bigger majority go hunting for easy gamer points purely to garner some sort of online credibility, which is the oppersite i get off them.

Basically (EDIT: artifically improving your score) is the same as wearing a fake Rolex. You cant afford the real deal, but you think it gives you street-cred with faking it. Sad.

[Brats]

I'll play you regardless of whatever crap games you've played for achievement points. Whether I respect you or not is a different matter. There's nothing I've said contrary to that.

So you don't respect people who have different tastes than you? *Sigh* That's even worse.

[Brats]

Achievements points are a sign of skill. I know people say you only needs lots of time, but that's bollocks. Even to achieve the Tomb Raider time attack runs or play through Ridge Racer you need skill to achieve these. Only the occasional achievements like 'play 100 online matches' are not based on skill.

However, what is clear is that having a low Gamerscore is not a sign a low skill and I don't believe anyone actually thinks that. Don't be ashamed if you have a low score. I know people with scores of less than 400 that kick arse at COD2 online, for which they earn no points.

[Spatial]

I think as the 360's lifespan goes on we'll see achievements becoming a greater reflection of skill and ability.

Designers tended to throw them about willy nilly with the first wave of games almost like the didn't know how to use them. More recent titles seems to make it a lot harder to earn them (a trend that will no doubt continue).

[NekoFever]

Pacifism in Geometry Wars is an odd one. Some people manage to do it really easily (only took me a few tries) but on the other hand I know people who've had GW since day one and still haven't managed to get it.

Seriously though, I think GRAW has the most obtuse ones. Top of the online leaderboard? Eight hours straight? Four kills in four seconds? How many people can be time or dedication to get those?

[Canton Province]

So you don't respect people who have different tastes than you? *Sigh* That's even worse.

Worse then what?? Don't act like I'm trying to explain myself to you. I've got no respect for gamer point whores. Simple. You're the one who keeps on bringing up "tastes"

Also, you're talking rubbish I'm afraid, because most achievement points are very easy to get, and do not equate to skill at all. That's not to say that they require NO skill but no more then is achievable by an average gamer. That's also not to say that there aren't a select few achievements that are difficult. It would also depend largely on what game your playing.

Saying that "achievement points are a sign of skill" is ignorant. Gaining certain achievements for certain games can be a sign of skill. On their own, achievement points mean absolutely nothing. And gaining them just to boost your viewable gamerscore is pathetic because again, it doesn't mean **** apart from you've probably been playing alot of generic crap.

If you'd mention True Skill rankings in certain games, that's a different matter.

[Matt]

Canton mate, take a chill pill! Seriously, you don't like gamerscore, we get it. Stop being so judgemental, let people do what they like, and relax

"Playing a lot of generic crap" is really quite a childish remark. I'm sure everyone plays games because they enjoy doing so, generic or not. "Generic" does not equate to "crap", it's naive to believe your opinion is righteous and impose it on others. You don't like "Generic" games, well good for you. Personally I just like games, and could happily argue every game is generic anyway.

Gamerscore may not equal skill, but it does give a good indication of one's time spent playing games if nothing else. It's simply another facet of Live, not something to get your little pink panties in a twist about.

[MikeRox]

Why is that? Do you feel like people are judging you, or guilt from not having a score like them?

A bit of both lol, I can see their advantages, I've got 1050 points on 1 account and 25 on another :P but I'm a bit of a completist, but I really can't be arsed to do some of the stuff they request of you for points and so it annoys me because I feel I havn't finished a game if I havn't got all the points, but at the same time I guess playing through a game without using a single gun or something isn't really making the game any more finished, it's just something some people might do to prove they can.