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    #16
    Originally posted by Uli
    true. but for many GR fans the PC version turned out to be more faithful to the values of the franchise
    What does that mean? They are the same game .

    offers better visuals and physics (on high-end PCs at least) is cheaper and on top of that has downloadable content for free! i love my GRAW for 360 - it's my most played game on the system - but this made me think.
    The physics engine is the same, so I'm dubious about that comment. The PC graphics I've seen are on a par with the 360. Although they are higher res, they don't handle particles or lighting as well (at least until DX10). And the downloadable content for the PC is not the same. The 360 content is much better.

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      #17
      Somebody post up the specs required to run GRAW on PC at an equivalent level as the 360 then we can have this discussion.

      If you don't want 5fps you need a MONSTER.

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        #18
        Well GRAW on the PC can have superior physics as it is one of the few games optimised to use the Ageia PhysX Processor but once again the cost if you want to do that is massive. Using PhysX hits the proformance of your system so you need even more RAM, not to mention the cost of getting the Physx processor.

        Personally i have a resonable PC but its now getting on abit (6800GT gfx Card) and i dont want to spend ?200+ on a gfx card ever again. Guess it comes down to how much money you are willing to spend on a PC, as i dont want to spend ?2000 i like the ports to the 360.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Yoshimax-UK
          Somebody post up the specs required to run GRAW on PC at an equivalent level as the 360 then we can have this discussion.

          If you don't want 5fps you need a MONSTER.
          My machine runs GRAW at around 80fps at 1680x1050 and the spec is as follows

          (yes im bragging)

          Athlon FX60
          2GB Crucial Memory DDR2
          800 GB HDDs
          2x7900 512MB GTX cards
          and some other things

          Its absolutely mind blowing, im guessing to run it round about the 60fps mark in the native 720p rez of the 360 you would still need one of my gfx cards and not that much slower a CPU

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            #20
            Originally posted by Brats
            That argument is far too simple. In many people's opinions the best games on the 360 are PGR3, Ridge Racer 6, Amped 3, Chrome Hounds, DOA4 and Condemned. All are exclusive games.

            Plus the argument that all PC games are technically better only applies if you have an uber PC, so the point that the games cost less is a non-starter.
            Brats, i love my 360 and would really like to agree with you but i can't. of course, in the end everything games-related comes down to personal taste, but even the greatest 360 fanboy must admit that exclusive content for 360 leaves much to be desired by now. and the few available exclusive games are most of all visually improved sequels which offer little or nothing new. the only exception to it being Condemned, which is truly a great game with high production values.

            also, it's clear that an "?ber PC" is still not needed to gain some technical advantages over the 360 versions - such as slightly better textures and higher resolution and in some cases a more stable frame rate. but this is of course nitpicking given the overall quality of most of the ports.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Brats
              What does that mean? They are the same game .
              no, they aren't. mission design is much different. moreover the PC version features first person weapon models and a "true" campaign co-op mode like in GR and GR2. strangely, the smoke grenades are absent from the PC version.

              Originally posted by Brats
              The physics engine is the same, so I'm dubious about that comment. The PC graphics I've seen are on a par with the 360. Although they are higher res, they don't handle particles or lighting as well (at least until DX10). And the downloadable content for the PC is not the same. The 360 content is much better.
              Brats, as i said, GRAW 360 is my favourite game, so there's no need to convince me. especially regarding the quality online content which is surely worth the addional fee. but PC gamers get their stuff for free - and this is not because of the poor quality of the content i suppose...

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                #22
                i think the biggist thing that sways it for me is "My Sofa" when it comes to gameing, 360, wireless pad, and a sofa wins every time in my book as i see gameing as my chill time.

                not that my pc set up isn't comfy, as ive tried my hardest to get comfy playing pc games, i have a super comfy massive leather chair, and i've tried a number of gameing keyboards including the zboard and saiteks gamer keyboard but i sit at a pc all day for work and last year while playing halflife 2 and battelfield 2 i got major rsi in my fingers and wrists from over useing the mouse keyboard combo, and dont get me started on the minefeild that are pc joypads.

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                  #23
                  I don't have a problem with PC ports when they're not the only decent content. I built a decent PC for HL2 when that came out and it cost more than twice what a premium 360 costs, but now it can barely run anything new. I'd rather pay ?50 for a 360 one than ?30 for the PC one but have to spend a few hundred on upgrading my hardware. Not to mention that I just find PC gaming and all the optimisation required to be a pain in the arse.

                  In any case while the 360 does have plenty of PC ports it also has some great exclusives so I don't care - I can play the best of the PC and all the exclusive 360 titles, as well as the best versions of other multiplatform games. It's not a bad thing for the console either since most people don't play games on their PC (beyond The Sims and Bejeweled) and console ports will be the only chance to play them.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Uli
                    true. but for many GR fans the PC version turned out to be more faithful to the values of the franchise, offers better visuals and physics (on high-end PCs at least) is cheaper and on top of that has downloadable content for free! i love my GRAW for 360 - it's my most played game on the system - but this made me think...
                    Haha, what? The 360 version is a better game on the whole, and obviously if you spend thousands upon thousands it'll have better visuals. But the PC game isn't like the 360 version and your post - "more faithful to the values" - is utter gash. It means nothing.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Uli
                      no, they aren't. mission design is much different. moreover the PC version features first person weapon models and a "true" campaign co-op mode like in GR and GR2. strangely, the smoke grenades are absent from the PC version.
                      Because the PC version can't handle the particle effects.

                      I didn't know the missions were different, presumably because of the quick save feature. The one I saw (fight out in the garage protecting the Mexican president) seemed the same.

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                        #26
                        It's a little worrying.

                        Look at the state of Battlefield 2: Modern Combat for 360. It's trash compared to the sublime BF2 for PC. PD0? Less said about that the better.

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                          #27
                          I remember back in the DC days and even the PS and Saturn days PC ports were seen as helping with sales , and there being massive outcry when the likes of Half Life never should up on the DC.

                          Really what?s it so bad about the 360 and PS3 enjoying the best the PC can offer , its win , win,w in if the studios that?s is handling the port, does a bang up job . I just don't see how this can or should be a problem . I'm just gutted Geoof Crammond GP X-Box port was dropped at the last min

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by wush
                            It's a little worrying.

                            Look at the state of Battlefield 2: Modern Combat for 360. It's trash compared to the sublime BF2 for PC. .
                            Thats becasue it's a cheap port ofthe console game When done right like Duke Numkem on the Saturn , or COD II onthe 360 its not a problem at all

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by wush
                              It's a little worrying.

                              Look at the state of Battlefield 2: Modern Combat for 360. It's trash compared to the sublime BF2 for PC. PD0? Less said about that the better.
                              We've been over this before - It was a lot easier/quicker/less costly for them to port the xbox game than the PC one - Bar the massive number of online players there's nothing in it the 360 couldn't do and I expect we'll see that when the next one appears.

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                                #30
                                That's not a valid reason though. Releasing a poorer scaled down game is always going to be easier/quicker/less costly.

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