Rumour: PS3 can't upscale games?

[Grandmaster]

In contrast, the 360's scaler (which isn't the greatest, but there is one) would take the 720p and scale to 1080i.

The 360 scaler is actually rather good, and the inference that it's a serviceable, but lacklustre part is way off-beam.

Here is a shot of Burnout Revenge 360 running upscaled at 1080p.

And here's Lost Planet. All shots captured over VGA by the way.

Where it doesn't look quite so hot is on games with very little aliasing, such as Dead or Alive 4.

In all cases, however, the scaling annihilates the job that my Dell 2405FPW does on its own.

If the PS3 upscales 720p to 1080p, I'll do some similar comparison shots using the same capture hardware (over HDMI). I'm surprised the PS3 is having any issues like this to be honest. Whilst my Dell XPS M1210 laptop might only have a Geforce 7400 Go GPU, even that can upscale to 1080i - and the RSX is supposed to be the equivalent of an SLId pair of 6800 Ultras.

[EvilBoris]

A good TV will always outperform the 360's scaler.
It's only marginal and not everyone will be able to see it, but that's how it is.

[Dazzyman]

Would that mean then that if I set my new telly on Monday (Sony X 1080p) to 1080i on 360 the television would scale it to 1080p? (as only telly capable of 1080p in UK at moment is the goodmas via component or vga). I know the PS3 its easy its via HDMI so thats why I was wondering about it!


What this Ive heard as well that you can "force" the PS3 into certain resolutions (NBA2k apparently you can force it into 1080p) anyone know about that?

[Ciaran]

Would that mean then that if I set my new telly on Monday (Sony X 1080p) to 1080i on 360 the television would scale it to 1080p? (as only telly capable of 1080p in UK at moment is the goodmas via component or vga). I know the PS3 its easy its via HDMI so thats why I was wondering about it!

Yep.

Most 1080p TV's accept 1080p over VGA from the 360 but it doesn't say i officially BTW

[EvilBoris]

Would that mean then that if I set my new telly on Monday (Sony X 1080p) to 1080i on 360 the television would scale it to 1080p? (as only telly capable of 1080p in UK at moment is the goodmas via component or vga). I know the PS3 its easy its via HDMI so thats why I was wondering about it!


What this Ive heard as well that you can "force" the PS3 into certain resolutions (NBA2k apparently you can force it into 1080p) anyone know about that?

You'd be better off just settings your 360 at 1080p then you get the full benifit of any 1080p titles

[NeilMcRae]

1080i is an interlaced resolution, a 1080p telly will simply deinterlace the signal.
avoid i resolutions they are pants. 720p is far superior to 1080i

Neil.

[dvdmike]

Would that mean then that if I set my new telly on Monday (Sony X 1080p) to 1080i on 360 the television would scale it to 1080p? (as only telly capable of 1080p in UK at moment is the goodmas via component or vga). I know the PS3 its easy its via HDMI so thats why I was wondering about it!


What this Ive heard as well that you can "force" the PS3 into certain resolutions (NBA2k apparently you can force it into 1080p) anyone know about that?

My new toy can do 1080p over vga and deinterlace 1080i to 1080p

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[jammi]

you would rather run 1080p material in 1080i then 720p as moving from 180p to i is just cutting half the lines where 720p is cutting lines then upscalling back to 720 lines just mess with a jpg like that and you will notice the more you down up scale a image it doesnt get any better the fewer steps the better. my ps3 is till in customs will check this out when i get my hands on it monday.

[suicidepirate]

Hey guys i realise this may appear to be more of a tv tech question than one related to gaming so apologies in advance... but my flatmate and I are planning to buy a new TV and one of the things we were unsure about is this issue of upscaling.

We're planning on getting either a Sony Bravia W series or X series - we've seen both these TVs in action and tbh it's difficult to tell the difference, they both seem good; however the guy at the Sony store seemed to imply that one of the advantages of the X (the more expensive of the 2 series) series was that it could upscale to 1080p, whereas the W series cannot.

SO... to get to the actual quaetion: is this true and in all honesty how much will this actually affect our viewing of dvds and games that aren't natively output in 1080p?

[jammi]

your not gonna notice much difference unless you spend ?1000 on a standalone scaler but the Sony LCDs handle SD inputs very well i would have loved to go for a sony 1080p but due to funds ended up going for the Tosh 47" 1080p screen which is very nice and ?700 cheaper

[Yoshimax]

So, what will and won't be "HD" on your HDTV if you have a set that is not capable of 720p? Here is a break-down of our tests (and unconfirmed reports) of HDTV set across all major functions of PS3:

• DVD MOVIE: Not a problem, technically, in that PS3 was already known to not feature upscaling in this mode -- it's still enough to piss a person off, but when you went to the store, you already knew it wouldn't have that feature. Will play in 480p.
  
  PS2/PS1 GAME: Not a problem, just a bummer (same situation as DVD). Will play in 480i/p, as expected since PS3 currently doesn't do any scaling.
  
  AVC/MPEG1/MPEG2 VIDEO: Not a problem. Downloaded or personally encoded videos will run at whatever the TV is set at, even if the original file uses an immense 1080p encoding size. And surprisingly, the TV or PS3 does not need to reset any setting to play video files at any resolution.
  
  PS3 XMB MENU: Not a problem. The PS3 will output to 480i/p, 720p, 1080i, or 1080p. The only issue that might arise would be if you somehow already have your PS3 set for 720p, in which case the signal will not be initially compatible with your 1080i TV and will display fuzz. To remedy this, hold down the Power button on PS3 until it beeps twice (once for shutdown, once for resetting the video setting), at which point it will boot in 480i (which works on every TV) and then you can go back in and switch to 1080i.
  
  BLU-RAY MOVIE: Possibly a problem. Will run in 1080i (making it save for those with the 1080i-only problem), but may not run in 720p. The maximum PS3 of the PS3 in Blu-Ray mode is the encoded movie's native 1080p. If you set your PS3 to 1080i, the system will run a refresh setting sequence (for reasons unknown, as it never switches video settings to our knowledge) and then it will come back on in 1080i mode to play the movie at that resolution. If you set your PS3 to 720p, reports are saying that it will switch to either 1080i or 480p to play the movie.
• PS3 GAME: Problem. If your HDTV has 1080i support but not 720p support, you will not get 1080i out of games that do not fit it. Your 1080i-only HDTV will not accept the 720p signal and the game will kick down to 480p mode. As mentioned, it will not scale up to 1080i. Please check your HDTV manual or the manufacturer's website to see if your HDTV is affected by this limitation.

IGN has put in requests for comment from SCE on any and all of the PS3's technical troubles, and while official word is not yet available on any one point just yet, we are hopeful that Sony will be able to at least clarify whether this upscaling issue -- the most impactful of the PS3's technical issues so far -- might be addressed in future updates of the system BIOS. Check back for more news, good or bad.

Blimey.

[H-Man]

Having one of these HD crts that doesn't do 720p it looks like i'll be avoiding the PS3 for a while :/

[randombs]

He seems to think it's an unreal expectation to assume a games console will offer full backwards compatibility

when we all complained about the relatively dodgy bc on the 360, MS's reply was that it's really difficult as all the hardware is completely different BUT that their guys had been working their butts off through the holidays to try and emulate as much as possible, and they even explained why barbie horse adventure was on there (probably either easy to do, or because it shares an engine with another more popular game that was emulated).

this guy just goes all george jetson on us.

Blimey.

I second that. Blimey.

It's bloody ridiculous if you ask me - especially as they were talking about running ps1/2 games in hd resolutions anyway.

It's even funnier riding on the back of the newly-released HDTV player thing for the ps2 that basically does the same job!

Hey, I wonder if those wizards will be able to do the same thing on the PS3? It would be funny if they did. And by funny I mean kinda sad in a way.

[EvilBoris]

I'm especially suprised by the implication of non scaling on Blu-Ray discs. You have the Choice of 480p and 1080i/p.

[jammi]

i couldnt be bothered with all this crap so i just went out and got a 1080p LCD, and as iv said before 1080i will look better then 720p for downscaled 1080p material or go by a hardware scaler (which the xbox360 doesnt have its just software based and also 360 only upscales to 1080p) it will come in handy for all your SD tv needs aswell.