The Wii - Let's Deconstruct This

[elkatas]

At the end of the day the sales speak for themselves, as the Wii is currently trouncing the 360 and PS3 and I cannot see this trend stopping any time soon.

Exactly. And it hasn't been only hardware that has sold, non-licensed, non-shovelware 3rd party software has sold very well too. Currently Wii's software attach ratio is 4:1, which is really good for console that has been out only 5 months.

[Jebus]

Sorry, not good enough...to say "avoid it" is to accept it. It's not good enough and it shouldn't ever be ignored, no matter how many people know it's the truth. Of course people should be complaining about it, because it's simply unnacceptable.

Nintendo of Europe is still Nintendo, yet it's okay for this wonderful, age-old, favourite of a company to do this yet Microsoft and Sony get criticised for every other miniscule detail, yet they give us more repect than Nintendo.

The reason for the good attach ratio should be obvious. It's a predomenantly multiplayer console, not much good if you don't buy an extra wiimote and nunchuck is it?

To accuse the 360 of not having amazing titles ("tbh the 360 and PS3 are hardly overflowing with amazing titles themselves") is just an absolutely outrageous comment and proves to me this thread is not worth posting it anymore.

[elkatas]

You can certainly say NOE shouldn't be this bad, but they are, so all any of us can do is avoid them.

NoE has always over 40 titles under localization at same time, and they still manage to do it faster than most companies (looking at Konami, Atlus, Square-Enix). Remember that they aren't just localizing 1st party games, as they do also localize few 3rd party titles that wouldn't otherwise see light here. And before people bitch about Paper Mario, it has over 2000 A4s worth of text that must be translated, debugged, adjusted, etc. Of course, nobody you people have ever localized anything, so you can't grasp how monumental task this is.

[parkinho]

Yeah,NOE are inexcusable and the Wii should have been region free without doubt. Especially because Nintendo have reached a lot of people who have never bought a videogame before, I would be surprised if many people realised that they couldn't, for example, bring a game back from their holiday in USA and play it when they got home.

And the state of 50Hz VC games is bollocks too.

[elkatas]

The reason for the good attach ratio should be obvious. It's a predomenantly multiplayer console, not much good if you don't buy an extra wiimote and nunchuck is it?

I was speaking about software attach ratio. There is no data, whatsoever, how the hardware attach ratio is, as nobody ever releases data for that.

[parkinho]

To accuse the 360 of not having amazing titles ("tbh the 360 and PS3 are hardly overflowing with amazing titles themselves") is just an absolutely outrageous comment and proves to me this thread is not worth posting it anymore.

No it just means not everyone enjoys the same games that you do mucker. And I would say there are amazing games on the 360 - Oblivion, Dead Rising, Lost Planet spring to mind - but I would not class that as overflowing. I find it 'outrageous' that so many people have written off the Wii after 6 month but I have yet to spit my dummy out.

[Kotatsu Neko]

Sorry, not good enough...to say "avoid it" is to accept it. It's not good enough and it shouldn't ever be ignored, no matter how many people know it's the truth. Of course people should be complaining about it, because it's simply unnacceptable.

To accuse the 360 of not having amazing titles ("tbh the 360 and PS3 are hardly overflowing with amazing titles themselves") is just an absolutely outrageous comment and proves to me this thread is not worth posting it anymore.

Well what can any of us do about Nintendo Europe's incompetence? You can either use NOA or NOJ and enjoy Nintendo gaming, or bitch and moan about NOE endlessly. They aren't going to change, this is how they've always been.

Personally I would never say the 360 has a lack of good titles as I play my daily and it has some great games. PS3 though, I think you could argue it has few worthwhile games that aren't 360 ports.

Actually it will be interesting to see which has more AAA exclusives a year from now, PS3 or Wii? With Wii sales the way they are I'd expect it to be latter.

[elkatas]

I find it 'outrageous' that so many people have written off the Wii after 6 month but I have yet to spit my dummy out.

Yeah. People are ignoring completely what is happening at console market RIGHT NOW, and believe (or hope?) everything to stay like it has always been. It is truly fascinating to see that most of you people can't see farther than three months.

[paul]

...a sign of growing penetration of gaming into popular culture as a whole.

It's not gaming as I have traditionally know it and I've been gaming since 1980. It's a logical extension of the appeal to people who are inclined to games by introducing simplicity into how people interact with games, and a social element. In my book that's a bit of a let down (i.e. sell out).

The games themselves also seem less complex and less challenging. It's the Windows of the console world.

[elkatas]

The games themselves also seem less complex and less challenging. It's the Windows of the console world.

Nothing feels very challenging these days, no matter what platform is. I guess that it is simply that we have played games way too long.

[Ady]

this reaction to sell a console that is barely six months old seems premature just because theres no new games to play at the moment, you don't have to play it every single day just to feel that you've gotten your moneys worth.

I echo your sentiments entirely. This is probably the most sensible post in this entire thread, which means your words will be ignored by people who seem to just be looking for something to complain about.

I haven't used my wii for months or my DS. Its a shame coz they are both great gaming machines but there just isn't anything to play on it. I've been looking to sell both to buy a PS3

To play what?

So you're thinking of selling a console that hasn't been out long and doesn't have much to play on it yet to buy... another console that hasn't been long and doesn't have much to play on it yet (and is about four times more expensive). Smart move! I like your thinking!

I will be happy to dig this thread up in a year / 2 years time when the novelty of the Wii has worn off and its gone the way of the Cube sales wise.

Yeah, yeah.

Actually, why does the Wii kept being compared to the Gamecube? Cube backwards compatibility notwithstanding, the machines aren't in the same ballpark at all. Certainly, the Cube wasn't dominating the market after six months of its release either. I see no reason to keep comparing the two machines. It's just lazy.

Overall though, what people fail to take into account here with regards to the Wii's current success was that it initially had a lot going against it. Not only was the competition more "powerful", but most people had already made up their minds about the Wii/Revolution before it even came out ("It's going to be a gimmick... It'll go the way of the 'Cube" etc etc), which lead to mass developer disinterest from day one (such is the nature of negative preconceptions). Yet, in spite of all that, it's managed to prove everyone wrong and become a success in such a short space of time.

[Swallow]

It's still got a stupid name though!

[Baseley09]

I probably wont play a Wii game until Mario Galaxy or Metroid comes out. Where are the games....what happened to that Battalion Wars one?

[eastyy]

i just kindoff think these big companies after all this time shouldnt make such big mistakes

and no recent console has really had the killer launch line up i was hoping for

i dont think alot of people want sony to fail i personally just want them to get a bit of a shock for them being so complacent hoping in the long run it leads to a cheaper console and better games

the wii is a good machine but it really does need more games....its been a while since the launch and there is a drought

this is a personel thing (and i know i am in the minority here) but i really dont like how reliant on broadband (Which i dont have) these consoles are.....there should be a option to get downloadable games and patches via other means

[Dogg Thang]

It really is horrific judging a console on the games that are actually out now when there are over one good games slated for release. You'll all be eating your words.

There's a beauty to appreciating the potential of a console. You know, rather than actually playing games on it.