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    #46
    I like the Street Fighter and Tetris covers.

    My local bookshop only gets around four copies and I'd have to pay ?100,- to get all 10 covers

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      #47
      Originally posted by essankay
      I suppose you believe the same thing about movies?
      To some extent yes. With films you are not encouraged to 'play'. 'To play' is about having fun. It would be sad if games ever took themselves as seriously as the more 'weighty' films.

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        #48
        Originally posted by bcass
        Originally posted by essankay
        I suppose you believe the same thing about movies?
        To some extent yes. With films you are not encouraged to 'play'. 'To play' is about having fun. It would be sad if games ever took themselves as seriously as the more 'weighty' films.
        Double standards ahoy.

        Videogames are an interactive media, apart from limited things like multiple camera angles movies are not interactive, You are associating non interactive uses of time as being of higher worth than interactive if it was to be second guessed you could easily say you have lost your enthusiasm for Videogames in general.

        You are objectifying the word 'play' not as fun but as something you are trying to hard to 'grow up' from, You are only happy to be a videogamer as long as it could equate to 'weighty' films?... Thats an incredibly pompus and superficial comment.

        Videogames will never be taken seriously or pushed in the direction you want unless people like yourself accept them for what they are.

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          #49
          Originally posted by Kron
          Videogames will never be taken seriously or pushed in the direction you want unless people like yourself accept them for what they are.
          Which is what exactly? I ask, because I'm sure I'm not the only one you've managed to cofuse with that drivel.

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            #50
            Originally posted by bcass
            Originally posted by Kron
            Videogames will never be taken seriously or pushed in the direction you want unless people like yourself accept them for what they are.
            Which is what exactly? I ask, because I'm sure I'm not the only one you've managed to cofuse with that drivel.
            Videogames are more than just a childish pass-time. Videogames are not something to be ashamed of, or something you should distance yourself from. If you continue to do that, then they will never be taken seroiusly as a medium.

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              #51
              Originally posted by nips
              Videogames are more than just a childish pass-time. Videogames are not something to be ashamed of, or something you should distance yourself from. If you continue to do that, then they will never be taken seroiusly as a medium.
              Would you care to point me to exactly where I said games are a childish passtime, or where I said you should be ashamed of them, or where I said you should distance yourself from them?

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                #52
                Videogames are nothing more than toys. Some of them are deep and others are shallow but they are toys nevertheless. There is no reason at all to be ashamed of playing with them or to distance oneself from them.

                It seems to me the people who strive for games to gain wider acceptence or to be taken seriously as an artistic medium are the ones who are ashamed to been seen to play games and seek the opinion of others to validate their 'hobby.'

                Personally i don't care what others think of my interest in gaming. I'm nearly 30 years old and perfectly happy for people to know about my 'obsession' with videogames.

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by bcass
                  Originally posted by nips
                  Videogames are more than just a childish pass-time. Videogames are not something to be ashamed of, or something you should distance yourself from. If you continue to do that, then they will never be taken seroiusly as a medium.
                  Would you care to point me to exactly where I said games are a childish passtime, or where I said you should be ashamed of them, or where I said you should distance yourself from them?


                  Originally posted by bcass
                  With films you are not encouraged to 'play'. 'To play' is about having fun. It would be sad if games ever took themselves as seriously as the more 'weighty' films.
                  Your original comment speaks volumes, Sorry if you were offended with what I typed but your paragraph gives out alot more information than maybe your realising.

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                    #54
                    Kron I think you're reading way too much into what bcass said.

                    My take is: are video games art? who cares.

                    ... and at a push I'd say games _can be_ meta art, ie. they contain artistic elements.

                    I don't think its possible to judge a game as a piece of art in its entirety, and I don't know why you'd really want to.

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by Kron
                      Your original comment speaks volumes, Sorry if you were offended with what I typed but your paragraph gives out alot more information than maybe your realising.
                      No offense taken. For most I know, games are a potent (the most potent?) transgression into childhood. All adults seek to be children, and with good reason when you come to terms with how tedius, nasty, stark, and unbalanced the 'adult' world can be. Really, we just want to play with our toys once again, and be oblivious, for a short while at least, to the real things that constitute adult life. It is for these reasons that gaming shouldn't be taken too seriously.

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by bcass
                        Originally posted by nips
                        Videogames are more than just a childish pass-time. Videogames are not something to be ashamed of, or something you should distance yourself from. If you continue to do that, then they will never be taken seroiusly as a medium.
                        Would you care to point me to exactly where I said games are a childish passtime, or where I said you should be ashamed of them, or where I said you should distance yourself from them?
                        I've simply given my opinion from what you've implied from previous posts, and you continue to reinforce in your next post.

                        Originally posted by bcass
                        For most I know, games are a potent (the most potent?) transgression into childhood. All adults seek to be children, and with good reason when you come to terms with how tedius, nasty, stark, and unbalanced the 'adult' world can be. Really, we just want to play with our toys once again, and be oblivious, for a short while at least, to the real things that constitute adult life. It is for these reasons that gaming shouldn't be taken too seriously.
                        Let me break this post down, so i'm clear.

                        You claim videogames to be the 'most potent transgression into childhood.' I say videogames are 'more than a childish pass-time.' This means, you and I disagree. So by extension, I think that videogames should be taken even more seroiusly.

                        You say, videogames are used by adults to move away from the realities of life into a carefree 'videogame life'. I say, while they can do that, they have the potential to, and do so much more than that. In my opinion they can befefit by taking you into that: '...nasty, stark, and unbalanced the 'adult' world...' Eg MoH, BF1942.

                        I say that by distancing yourself from videogames by classifying them as some esacpism for people fed up with the 'real world' is wrong. I think that videogames should be embraced by people as a more than esacapism (which, let's face it, is what most/all entertainment mediums are to a certain extent) and as entertainment that can benefit people in many more ways. And I believe that to do that they need to be taken more seroiusly.

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                        But, I think this is beginning to go off topic, so let's leave it there...

                        You've given your opinion, I've given mine... that's all there is to it.

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                          #57
                          You should look in the dictionary to see the definition of the word 'game'. A transgression into ones childhood does not necessarily equate to some fluffy fantasy. Quite the opposite in fact.

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by bcass
                            No offense taken. For most I know, games are a potent (the most potent?) transgression into childhood. All adults seek to be children, and with good reason when you come to terms with how tedius, nasty, stark, and unbalanced the 'adult' world can be. Really, we just want to play with our toys once again, and be oblivious, for a short while at least, to the real things that constitute adult life. It is for these reasons that gaming shouldn't be taken too seriously.
                            The only thing I am slightly dubious about is the fine line/distinction between what different people feel constitutes the average adult life, You feel gaming shouldn't be taken to seriously because of the escapism aspect but you somewhat contradict your point with the feeling that some films don't fall under the same catagory, A direct question.. What is the distinguishing difference for you that makes movies/film acceptable in this situation?

                            Sorry if it seems like im Ragging on you, Its not the intent.

                            Im just interested generally about the mass view on how long something has to be in the public eye before its gets accepted, I think like TV, Radio etc when they became available it could potentially just be a time scale factor, Im sure alot of the factors boil down the exposure from the national media (unfortunately).

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by essankay
                              I suppose you believe the same thing about movies?

                              and which magazines realise this? CVG?
                              I assume you mention C&VG as an example of what you perceive to be 'very childish journalism'. I subsequently assume you're suggesting that because I resent one extremity, I automatically embrace its opposite. That's not the case. Believe it or not, there are magazines out there which occupy a more balanced middle ground, and it's those magazines to which I refer. If it's examples you're after, try NGC, Maximum, PC Gamer and Games Master for starters.

                              And yes, I do believe Edge has its equivalents within the world of movie criticism. You suppose correctly.

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                                #60
                                Super Metroid and the Piltowings one, for meee.

                                All look great though

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