Yakuza: Of The End [PS3]

[Phar]

Fatal mistake . The Japanese have gone backwards and offer nothing really new. While western developers push forward and move forward for RPG's and open world Gameplay . Compared to the likes of Fallout, Fable II, Mass Effect II the Japanese are just falling way behind .

TBF I don't think any of those titles are massive departures from what either Bioware, Bethesda or Lionhead have done in the past, as far as Fable goes I just find that series extremely boring.

Needing to sell over 500,000 copies just to break even, isn't that great imo . Yakuza series may well have done wonders for SEGA Market share in the charts , for actual profits , I'm really not so sure .

I don't think any of us really know how much it brings in for Sega, it must be worth the effort anyway as they would have dropped the series Shenmue-style by now otherwise.

The game needs to move forward and the Team given 2 to 3 years to make a game as big as that as Yakuza; A game that takes over 150 staff, and 25 million quid per title , really needs to be made Multi Platform and with the West in mind .
So to me , that means, time for the series take place somewhere in the west , start to model a new city
Start to use next gen shades (the water effects in Kenzan are piss poor) and physics , to make the world seem even more real and alive, and the Heat moves with even more impact and painful . Like having interactive environments

Yeah I'd like them to have a go at some of the above points, wouldn't want to see them drop the Yakuza series but a Western spinoff could be interesting, Nagoshi did mention destruction for the next Yakuza, so hopefully it means destructable environments.

This is Nagoshi-san . The mean that meant to be working on a world wide hit for SEGA over 4 years ago, and no-one has seen it . Much like his other WW game, that he 1st talked about over 2 years ago .

The man talks **** , and his World Wide wonder game is nothing more, than a piss poor Power point presentation (yep no game) with the brief of 'What its like to be Human' .
Meanwhile SOJ pays the like of Platinum staff, to experiment and learn what its takes to make a WW game, and continue to improve and move forward While SEGA own Next Gen pipelines learn how to make yet another Yakuza. That's so going to help SEGA for this gen and beyond

I suppose we'll just have to wait and see what he shows at TGS, as far as Platinum games goes I wouldn't really be relying on them creating a massive worldwide hit for Sega either.

[Team Andromeda]

Fable 2 has practically no story to speak of and a handful of characters with any personality.

Mass Effect 2, while being a great game, hasn't got any open-world elements like Yakuza series.

Fallout 3 had a huge, boring, empty sandbox with atrocious combat system and completely crap plot and writing, not to mention most unoriginal and uninteresting characters in any modern RPG. Also, the graphics (especially movement and facial animations) were ten-times worse than in Yakuza 3.

You're making the fatal mistake of thinking I like the likes of Fallout III, I don't . I do admire however... how're they're pushing the genere forward, and creating vast open ended worlds for the play to explore. Its seems that is what players want , given the likes of Fable II ect sell much better in the Market place .
No Mass Effect isn't any more open than Yakuza, but even though it features Unreal 3, is far more impressive game graphically , and its sequel vastly improved over the 1st game , I really can't say that about Yakuza.

When it come to modelling Human Characters and animation , the likes of Heavy Rain, Mass Effect II, are way ahead, and the likes of GTA IV and Red Dead Rep just incredible for offering a player a open ended world to explore.

Who is missing out on Yakuza 3 thanks to my protest?

You are, Obviously. No way was you going to buy, the English version of Yakuza III

So you haven't played Y4 (and you never will), yet claim it's worse than Y3. Okay

No I said it's 'more of the same' , Big Difference.

But yes, Yet again piss poor tech . I mean the rain effects are so basic its dreadful. Clothing that doesn't get wet, not matter how long one stays in the rain (C'Mon SEGA this is the next gen here) and a simple water shadow effect that seems straight out of SpikeOut on the X--Box. Oh wow rain and fighting on Rooftops , like Shenmue II didn't do that some 9 years ago

I don't think any of us really know how much it brings in for Sega, it must be worth the effort anyway as they would have dropped the series Shenmue-style by now otherwise

Its not that much, I'm sure Kenzan lost SEGA money as its still one ranks as one of SEGA biggest spends this generation . Yakuza III had to sell over 500,000 just to break ever . I doubt this is a massive cash cow for SEGA, bit the series does give SEGA marketshare

Nagoshi did mention destruction for the next Yakuza, so hopefully it means destructable environments

The trouble is that needs a new engine and new tech. Team can't do that in a year . The series needs to be given a 2 to 3 year development period. The game needs to appeal more to the west, That to me means making the series Multi Platform , and for it to take part in some Western city .

Otherwise the series is going the way of Tomb Rider and Sonic.

I suppose we'll just have to wait and see what he shows at TGS

SEGA fans have been saying that since the year .. Its not happing anymore . SOJ are just hopeless in terms of Tech, Online , Multi Platform good games and making games that can appeal on the world stage . Sonic Team seem to get it, and want to put things right , the rest ? Their pipelines are in the dark ages

[Neon Ignition]

I always found Yakuza's linear, clunky stylings and play to be fairly admissable but I think that's because nothing about it, to me, has ever drawn worthy parallels to the RPG genre. It's pretty much 100% walk along beat em up, so I tend to judge it by that bar by which it places pretty highly.

Given the reused assets I'm guessing Y4 would have been more profitable than Y3 and likely Y5 will be even more profitable. Though it would be handy if the western markets bought into it and a new setting is definately needed (though a western city would be terrible)

[Eight Rooks]

TA, I meant blue skies as in you talk exactly like one of those... people who hang around on UK Resistance all day and scream in horror if they see a game that's not rendered in primary colours. Oh, and who nuture this rose-tinted view of Shenmue as if the bloody game were Christ himself come to Earth and any more sequels would bring world peace along with them. And yes, my first console was a Dreamcast, not to mention I played a Japanese copy of Shenmue where I had to reset the onboard battery to get it running, so I do know what I'm talking about when I say though I loved it it's still currently one of the most over-rated games in existence. I'll take Yakuza 3, 4 or Kenzan over Molyneux' string of vacant, tedious bores over the past few years, thanks; Fable II was above average at best, Fallout 3 I liked, but it's far worse than Yakuza technically, and much as I love Red Dead as far as I'm concerned Sega's team are second only to Rockstar for virtual world-building. Oh, but you can't buy batteries from the corner store or some such crap, so they must be soulless, commercialised rubbish trading on past glories, right?

Apologies to the mods, I promise I'll shut up now. His opinions and incessant whining just wind me up something rotten.

[Team Andromeda]

TA, I meant blue skies as in you talk exactly like one of those... people who hang around on UK Resistance all day and scream in horror if they see a game that's not rendered in primary colours.

I'm not a member of UK; Res . I don't like or support SEGA because of BlueSkies (that to me is a AM#2 thing) I'm more for games like Panzer Dragoon, Revenge Of Shinobi , REZ, HOTD II, Space Channel; Games not really noted for Blue Skies.

Oh, and who nuture this rose-tinted view of Shenmue as if the bloody game were Christ himself come to Earth and any more sequels would bring world peace along with them

I'm sorry, I never raved about Shenmue at all . I've said it was boring and an 6 out of 10 on this board and the old VGI board . True I do like and really rate Shenmue II however .

I'll take Yakuza 3, 4 or Kenzan over Molyneux' string of vacant, tedious bores over the past few years, thanks; Fable II was above average at best,

I'm not a fan on Molyenu, Think I've said so on this board. I like Fable II, it did improve on the 1st game , and added a lot of new features.

Red Dead as far as I'm concerned Sega's team are second only to Rockstar for virtual world-building

SEGA CS 3 is falling ever more behind. Once SEGA led the way in having stunningly realised game worlds full of NPC's . Shenmue and Yakuza seemed so new and quite unlike anything seen onthe PS2 or Dreamcast or most other machines at the time . But I'm getting so bored of walking around the same city and yet again seeing SEGA Club , just like I did back in 2004. At least back in 2004 it was really cutting edge tech.

Carry on, I just see SEGA dying fast and becoming ever more irrelevant. Not pleasing the core fans, piss poor updates to classic IP , or not bothering at all
Easy pickings for people to piss take and have a laugh at , on countless forums (not least here) Yes SEGA is the but of all jokes at the moment

SEGA Japan That once led the world on Online gaming, hasn't even made a decent In-House Co-Op Online game, the Company that was once able to push any Hardware to its limits , has simply failed to compete with the likes of Capcom or UBisoft this Generation for tech . The company that was known and respected for its Artistic vision in games, now watching other's lead the way.

SAD to see what happened to SEGA Japan . Looks like Pachinko has killed yet another once great Corp .

[EvilBoris]

Exhumed Rocks

[Team Andromeda]

Exhumed Rocks

It does indeed . Shame Lobotomy died with the end of 32 bit Generation

[EvilBoris]

From reading this thread, it's clear the legacy of lobotomy lives on..

[Combination]

Weaboo warning.

[Guts]

You're making the fatal mistake of thinking I like the likes of Fallout III, I don't .

It doesn't matter. You brought Fallout 3 up, like it's somekind of beacon of greatness in RPG design when compared to Yakuza, when in reality it has poorer graphics, animations and absolutely horrible plot and characters compared to Yakuza series. It sold more (in the west, I'm sure Yakuza sells better in Japan) than Yakuza because it had a TON of hype and marketing behind it and the gameplay was about "blowing cool sh*t up".

I do admire however... how're they're pushing the genere forward, and creating vast open ended worlds for the play to explore. Its seems that is what players want , given the likes of Fable II ect sell much better in the Market place .

Funny, I would say Fallout 3 is basically "Oblivion with guns and mutants" and is hardly pushing anything forward in the RPG genre (except changing RPGs into shooters). They even used an old, classic IP instead of making their own unique setting (and f*cked it up) and used their old engine from Oblivion, which they STILL use in Fallout: New Vegas. But you don't seem to complain about that.

You are, Obviously. No way was you going to buy, the English version of Yakuza III

Actually, I think I said that I wouldn't buy it for a full price since it's not the full game, and I didn't.

No I said it's 'more of the same' , Big Difference.

No, you specifically said it's worse than Yakuza 3:

Yakuza III is nothing new, Yakuza IV is even worse

And seeing how you haven't played Y4, your opinion carries zero value. But then again, your opinion mostly boils down to: "Nagoshi is a c*cksucker!"

[Phar]

The teaser sites gone up for this, nothing much other than Majima holding an assault rifle, probably nothing more than your standard bit of artwork but I'm wondering if theres a chance this could be a 3rd person shooter with elements of the previous games.

http://ryu-ga-gotoku.com/newproject/

[Team Andromeda]

It doesn't matter. You brought Fallout 3 up, like it's somekind of beacon of greatness in RPG design when compared to Yakuza, when in reality it has poorer graphics, animations and absolutely horrible plot and characters compared to Yakuza series.

Of course it does . I don't like Fallout , but I admire the play-field and how open the game is . Character and story wise, I'll be inclined to agree with you.

Funny, I would say Fallout 3 is basically "Oblivion with guns and mutants" and is hardly pushing anything forward in the RPG genre

And no doubt people could say Yakuza is Shenmue with blood and tits . In both cases it would be unfair. In terms of offereing the player a open world, being able to make their own choices, its miles in-front of Yakuza.

Actually, I think I said that I wouldn't buy it for a full price since

Did you say, that anyone that buys the game is supporting SEGA and the Cuts, and you'll have not part in it ? . But I really can't be bothered to check . So if I'm wrong, sorry .

And seeing how you haven't played Y4, your opinion carries zero value. But then again, your opinion mostly boils down to: "Nagoshi is a c*cksucker!"

I've been open and honest . The demo showed nothing new, the same City, the same gameplay, every trailer to the game is done in the exact same fashion to that in Yakuza III, right down to the mini games .
I just see the series going the way of Tomb Raider and Sonic very, very fast . And more of SEGA's Japan talent packing up, and leaving.

Just what the company needs

From reading this thread, it's clear the legacy of lobotomy lives on

Long may it continue

[Combination]

Guile's Theme goes with everything!

[Paddy]

Please get lost and retire Nagoshi-san . You complete arrogant twat

Why the hatred? You had a bad experience with the guy?

[Paddy]

I'm not a member of UK; Res . I don't like or support SEGA because of BlueSkies (that to me is a AM#2 thing) I'm more for games like Panzer Dragoon, Revenge Of Shinobi , REZ, HOTD II, Space Channel; Games not really noted for Blue Skies.



I'm sorry, I never raved about Shenmue at all . I've said it was boring and an 6 out of 10 on this board and the old VGI board . True I do like and really rate Shenmue II however .



I'm not a fan on Molyenu, Think I've said so on this board. I like Fable II, it did improve on the 1st game , and added a lot of new features.



SEGA CS 3 is falling ever more behind. Once SEGA led the way in having stunningly realised game worlds full of NPC's . Shenmue and Yakuza seemed so new and quite unlike anything seen onthe PS2 or Dreamcast or most other machines at the time . But I'm getting so bored of walking around the same city and yet again seeing SEGA Club , just like I did back in 2004. At least back in 2004 it was really cutting edge tech.

Carry on, I just see SEGA dying fast and becoming ever more irrelevant. Not pleasing the core fans, piss poor updates to classic IP , or not bothering at all
Easy pickings for people to piss take and have a laugh at , on countless forums (not least here) Yes SEGA is the but of all jokes at the moment

SEGA Japan That once led the world on Online gaming, hasn't even made a decent In-House Co-Op Online game, the Company that was once able to push any Hardware to its limits , has simply failed to compete with the likes of Capcom or UBisoft this Generation for tech . The company that was known and respected for its Artistic vision in games, now watching other's lead the way.

SAD to see what happened to SEGA Japan . Looks like Pachinko has killed yet another once great Corp .

I hear what you're saying but the way that you speak makes it sound like you work for SONY or something? SEGA are not as big as in their hayday now but if they took your attitude they'd all commit suicide tomorrow.

Still, you're entitled to your opinion.