Fable: The Journey

[Team Andromeda]

Comparing the gaming industry to the NHS?

Yeah, that's me out too.

I was simply saying many professions get a great deal of abuse on the boards, chat rooms and most just get on with it , or better still just not post in those topics and stay out of it .

You show a game off and it's either going to get praised or it's going to be found wanting and sometimes will get heavy criticism. No different really for the film Industry , the music industry , If you can't handle it, then don't go anywhere near the topic of the game in question (it's so very simple) I'm sure the EDGE staff work hard and try their best, loads here tend to have a right go at the Magazine with little thought to the people who produced the mag's and their feelings or their hardwork

[Golgo]

Comparing the gaming industry to the NHS?

Yeah, that's me out too.

Only in the very broadest terms, I'd say: i.e., that both have considerable pressures and criticisms. Only in one of those cases, however, do people die when things go wrong. A point made about perspective, I'd guess...

[Team Andromeda]

Sega has completely squeeze every ounce it can out of Sonic and the issue has never been doing something different, it has been doing new and badly.

Now maybe but at the time SEGA 1st showed Heroes , it was a 'new' break in direction (it was trying some new) and everyone had a pop, same with Shadow (and that was't even a Sonic game) Most of the so called fans wanted the series to go back to it's routes and just play as Sonic , same with say the Shining Force games and I'm not about the final games when you could play and see how **** they were, I'm on about when they're 1st shown off

The trouble is when you use IP name many will be hoping to get a direct sequel , and when you show off a game at E3 on the main stage it needs to be good to get the people talking and wanting the product (like say the new Tomb Raider) not like say Star Wars Kinect .It's the big sell , the game might have a let down but the E3 trailer of Metal Gear Soild II made me want to the game a PS2 so bad

[Team Andromeda]

Only in the very broadest terms, I'd say: i.e., that both have considerable pressures and criticisms. Only in one of those cases, however, do people die when things go wrong. A point made about perspective, I'd guess...

Most in work will have pressures (Christ knows what the troops go through and put up with) , I'm sure those in journalism had a nightmare of a Job at key stages. Still doesn't stop a few having a pop at Retro gamer or EDGE on here , and to be fair to the Retro gamer staff that do post on here, they'll debate the feedback rather than say they've had enough , you're on my banned list (so mature) there's something wrong with the industry

[abigsmurf]

So erm... about the game?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-10-molyneux-fluffed-fable-journey-reveal

Molyneux has said he really regrets the way it was shown, that a lot of the freedom had been removed in order to do an easy/reliable demo. I get the impression that the horseriding makes up a big bulk of the game and is perhaps closer to Spirit Tracks than a pure on rail game.

[Team Andromeda]

So erm... about the game?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-10-molyneux-fluffed-fable-journey-reveal

Molyneux has said he really regrets the way it was shown, that a lot of the freedom had been removed in order to do an easy/reliable demo. I get the impression that the horseriding makes up a big bulk of the game and is perhaps closer to Spirit Tracks than a pure on rail game.

Well then the very fact that Peter done that shows the showing of the game wasn't the best and didn't go down that great and I guess it not just people on NTSC , Eurogamer or Lionhead forums ?

Games can either get praised or sometimes get knocked or indeed bashed. Isn't that how its always been ?

[Neon Ignition]

I'd prefer Flabio kept posting in here, I find that devs feel like NTSC is the kind of place they can frequent and talk about stuff to be a major draw in the sites appeal and I'd much rather hear such comments than have those devs tow the company line. It's not self indulgent, it's venting in what's supposed to be an open mature forum. We always hear about the views of those of us who watch E3 but it's great to hear any from those represented at the show. Either way, in honour, I bought Fable 3 today. Huzzah!

[Dogg Thang]

Now maybe but at the time SEGA 1st showed Heroes , it was a 'new' break in direction (it was trying some new) and everyone had a pop, same with Shadow (and that was't even a Sonic game) Most of the so called fans wanted the series to go back to it's routes and just play as Sonic

You've let slip the reality of the situation at the end here. Heroes was not something new. It was the same broken thing with more characters, only more broken. Shadow, I don't know about (Heroes was the end for me). But calling Heroes any kind of direction change is wrong. It was just another step in the exact direction the series had been going in since Sonic Adventure.

Of course that's hideously off-topic so move along...

As for the whole getting riled up at seeing criticism, I can totally understand it. You know what that is? It's the side effect of doing something you care about. It's actually a really good sign. Embrace it, Flabio. That's my advice (for what it's worth - not much, probably). Allow yourself to get pissed off. Reject the criticism when you know it's misguided and take in on board when you think people might be on to something. But if Uwe Boll has taught us nothing else, it's that it's probably best not to actually answer your critics. Doesn't mean you should stop posting, of course! I think you rock for doing what you do and posting here, in spite of anything I may have said in the past about a game you made/like/have heard of.

[Team Andromeda]

You've let slip the reality of the situation at the end here. Heroes was not something new. It was the same broken thing with more characters, only more broken

It was a change from the momentum based gameplay most either loved or hated , and I thought both SA games were pretty much well received and praised (in that they were was decent quali)

Reject the criticism when you know it's misguided and take in on board when you think people might be on to something.

Why shouldn't people on here be allowed to praise or find fault with a game this is gaming forum is it not , why shouldn't people be allowed to post their views or issues with a game . I'm sure most here have a passion for gaming, I'm sure there are many FABLE die hards that love the series and don't like what they'r seeing, just because you may not happen to agree with it, shouldn't that mean they're misguided at all.
The best way to answer critics is to face them and respond to their issues and complaints in a grown up manner; Fair play to Darran , some have had a right go at Retro gamer , but instead of making out people haven't the right to complain, the need to ingore people , or the need to make a full apology latter... Instead Darren welcomed the debate asked what the problem was and what could be done to make things better
When you act like that you'll either show the person up (if they still slag and kick off) or you tend to get more adult response and a certain level of respect out of it

In every E3 and in every game show they'l be games that people like and games which get a good kicking . It is a entertainment industry and would imagine that it's not just the Lionhead team, but every team in general works hard and tries their best to make the best games they can .

There's been a bit of backlash to the game and that all isn't down to some people on the Lionhead board Ott . The game showing just wasn't that great in the end (even Peter seems to agree) , but that's happened before, only the final game to shut up and prove the doubters wrong... MSR had a pretty **** 1st E3 showing, the final game was thankfully a lot better, same for the likes of GRAW

I find that devs feel like NTSC is the kind of place they can frequent and talk about stuff to be a major draw in the sites appeal and I'd much rather hear such comments than have those devs tow the company line

I do too, but you have to be ready for people for people to praise or find fault with games (some times even the ones you work on ) on a gaming forum .. I like the Sumo team that post here, but sometime will take issues with their games it is just the business you're in
There are going to be times your games get a world of praise and then others why people aren't happy with the product

if you don't like that then don't go on forums, or just stay out of the topic that's talking about your game

[FelixofMars]

Knowing what MGS are like I bet they had a big hand in this new Fable design with Lionhead now being strongly under their banner. Publishers and marketing should be very hands off with development IMO but MS love to get in there for the worse. I simply cannot believe that this has been designed this way by Lionhead on its own.

[Adam Stone]

:-)

I have to say - and Flabio is going to hate me for saying this, but I love reading all the different opinions shared around the world about our game. It makes me smile, it shows a passion for the studio which is actually flattering!

Much of what's been stated by angry fans is of course utter bollocks, but equally the same can be said for certain other people…. Ultimately, and very personally, what's important is that we release a quality game of some kind.

I know it's impossible to please everyone and there's always going to be people bitching about something or other. Perhaps something is too big, or too small, or too fast, or too swift or too easy or too difficult. Maybe it's not interesting enough or too complex, or maybe too boring or too hetic. Whatever the reason, personal opinions and stubborn dislikes are always, always going to change - there is absolutely no point getting wrapped in that thread of misery. No point at all - life is far far too short.
Working in the game industry is an absolute blessing, it really really is. Believe me I know - ive worked in many many jobs (try to carry the corpses of patients you’ve spent months trying to convince not to commit suicide… THAT is not nice...)

Quite simply, Lionhead is full of talent, creative people that pour their hearts and souls into their work. Our games aren’t perfect, in fact I’d agree the quality HAD been declining since the first (although I do have a soft spot for Fable II, no matter how buggy), but it’s Journey's hope to rise that quality and to create something special, potentially a magical little gem. F*ck whether its on-rails or not (I must admit that word does make me cringe a little now! Haha, the power of E3), I’m personally very confident the experience will be a memorable one.

It’s going to be a very very interesting year :-)

Love to all

ps.

- i'm allowed to say this because its already been said elsewhere... But remember, there are TWO TEAMS IN LIONHEAD, the Journey team is just one -

[abigsmurf]

- i'm allowed to say this because its already been said elsewhere... But remember, there are TWO TEAMS IN LIONHEAD, the Journey team is just one -

There's a second on rails game coming?



I think one thing that developers could sometimes do with reminding: people don't get angry with your games unless they care about them.

You don't get 20 page hate threads going on about how Imagine Babiez 2 was such an awful sequel.

[Adam Stone]

exactly, hence my little words here my friend:

I love reading all the different opinions shared around the world about our game. It makes me smile, it shows a passion for the studio which is actually flattering!

I love it, shows much love.

If Nintendo were to reveal an onrails Zelda I would go mad ;-)

[abigsmurf]

The last Zelda they released was literally on rails.

[Adam Stone]

'literally on rails' - interesting!

Even still, it was still an utter delight to play :-)