Edge 239 - April 2012

[Charlie]

I'm not defending anyone.

If you know it's opinion then how can you call it rubbish, ridiculous and wrong? Opinion cannot be wrong. Opinion cannot be right. Opinion is opinion. It just is. You don't have to agree with it. But you have to accept it for what it is because, whether you agree with it or not, it exists. Life's much easier when you accept the things that exist as things that exist.

[nakamura]

You don't have to defend Edge by telling me it's just their opinion, I know it's their opinion. A pretentious, ridculous and factually wrong opinion, as per usual.

Why is it that everytime Edge post a review that people may or may not agree with then it is 'pretentious, ridiculous or whatever?
I would say an 8 is a damn good score for what seems to be a very good game. Perhaps everyone else is overscoring it and it has ruined that value of a cracking 8/10.

[Charlie]

Why is it that everytime Edge post a review that people may or may not agree with then it is 'pretentious, ridiculous or whatever?
I would say an 8 is a damn good score for what seems to be a very good game. Perhaps everyone else is overscoring it and it has ruined that value of a cracking 8/10.

I ask myself that question. A lot. The answer I keep reaching is people feel threatened when they see someone criticising something they like because they see criticism of the thing they like as criticism of their taste and, taken to it's most extreme, as criticism of themselves. I think it boils down to insecurity. I may be wrong, and would love for someone to tell me otherwise as I long to understand their point of view and where they're coming from.

[nakamura]

I'm waiting for the 'How the hell can Kid Icarus score the same as Mass Effect 3???' rant from someone.

[EvilBoris]

Thats a load of rubbish, I've played it for about 10 hours so far and I've never had any less than about 10 active missions at a time. I have to wonder if the reviewer just didn't notice they are there becuase they are not all marked on the mini map like the main quests are.

I don't think he isn't saying that there are no sidequests, the reviewer says there is a "Myriad" of sidequests.

I think he is just suggesting that the race against time everywhere-is-being-destroyed main plot doesn't sit quite as well alongside the sidequests as the main plot of ME2.

Which I can totally see, it's a little like this.

[rmoxon]

I ask myself that question. A lot. The answer I keep reaching is people feel threatened when they see someone criticising something they like because they see criticism of the thing they like as criticism of their taste and, taken to it's most extreme, as criticism of themselves. I think it boils down to insecurity. I may be wrong, and would love for someone to tell me otherwise as I long to understand their point of view and where they're coming from.

Youre wrong.

There are lots of reviews I disagree with but I don't feel they are all pretentious drivle written by people who dont even seem to have played the game they are reviewing. But that's the feeling I get when I read edge reviews.

[ETC]

I don't think he isn't saying that there are no sidequests, the reviewer says there is a "Myriad" of sidequests.

I think he is just suggesting that the race against time everywhere-is-being-destroyed main plot doesn't sit quite as well alongside the sidequests as the main plot of ME2.

Which I can totally see, it's a little like this.

AH Good

[Charlie]

But just because someone feels differently to you about something's qualities, be it a videogame or a movie or a song or a piece of cheese, it doesn't mean they're wrong or ridiculous. It means they don't feel the same way about things as you do. You can't expect everybody to like the things you like, yet by calling a review 'wrong' that's effectively what you're doing.

[nakamura]

Moxon seems to like saying wrong.

[prinnysquad]

Agree with Edge's comments on ME3 from what I've played so far (about 8 hours). They're not saying there aren't a lot of side missions but they are saying that they're more peripheral and feel like more of a distraction from the main quest. I'd also say the whole paragon/renegade thing is way too simplistic and the options are easily signposted.

Prinny, what did they say about Syndicate?

It goes on about the original game, mentions how dated the story feels in this new game, and the fact that there's no tactical elements.
Generic structure and mechanics.
The breaching apps are much of a muchness - with a similar result - meaning that the one tactical element of the game constitutes little more than an extra attack button.
Little else to hold interest apart from combat.
Setting is third-hand Blade Runner.
Story is confused.
Plot revels too much too early in the moral dubiousness of your work, sucking dry the empathy needed to respond to later twists.
Haphazard level design.

On the plus side: -
Stylish
A great physical presence to your firstperson avatar.
Elegant HUD
The time-slow/ transparency options are nice.
Good co-op missions, with more strategy than the campaign mode.
Good gunplay

[rmoxon]

But just because someone feels differently to you about something's qualities, be it a videogame or a movie or a song or a piece of cheese, it doesn't mean they're wrong or ridiculous. It means they don't feel the same way about things as you do. You can't expect everybody to like the things you like, yet by calling a review 'wrong' that's effectively what you're doing.

You aren't listen to what I'm saying, I said many reviews have different opinions to mine, that's fine. That's not the problem with edge though. It's hard to even consider their reviews actually reviews, seeing as they never seem to be actually talking about the game they are meant to be a review of. I haven't read the entire mass effect 3 review but the comments posted here are not factually accurate, and a review should be that.

Moxon seems to like saying wrong.

Well there's a lot wrong in the world, you know

[Charlie]

Read the f*cking review!!! You can't criticise it if you haven't read it. Haha. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

[rmoxon]

Wasn't criticising the review, I was commenting on both edge and the three segments of the review posted here.

Why don't you know wether to laugh or cry? Do you have mental problems?

[Charlie]

I probably do, yeah, but that's beside the point.

You said:

You don't have to defend Edge by telling me it's just their opinion, I know it's their opinion. A pretentious, ridculous and factually wrong opinion, as per usual.

but an opinion cannot be wrong. If you like stilton cheese and I hate it, neither one of us is wrong, it's just our opinions. Same with videogames and Edge and anyone else.

[rmoxon]

I probably do, yeah, but that's beside the point.

You said:


but an opinion cannot be wrong. If you like stilton cheese and I hate it, neither one of us is wrong, it's just our opinions. Same with videogames and Edge and anyone else.

I didn't say their opinion was wrong, if they think it's a 8/10 game then ok. However what they said was actually wrong, which I've now said 4 times. That has nothing to do with their opinion, it just means they are wrong.