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    #46
    I think it's very idealistic to say that they are funding the new games in the series- that's not always the case. I'd be more inclined to say its easy money so they knock them out with a budget studio. Again, not in all case though - Bluepoint are masters of their craft.

    Im not against HD remasters - I own a few of them, and stuff like KH 1.5/2.5 HD are god sends when there was so much content only previously available to one region, or for having the whole story that is a requirement for a new game- to all be in one place that was previously spread over many handhelds. That's another reason why they are justified to me- turning a previously handheld game into a full blown console title- as an extra- is huge value and worth that you just don't get from the likes of Splinter Cell HD Trilogy for instance.

    I guess a lot of the time the frustration with so many "HD remasters" (to me, few of them deserve that title) is that it's more of an irritation with this gen. Nothing really great on the horizon from both of the main sides, and instead of hearing about any great new games, we keep hearing about the same stuff we've already played- that's not what I bought a "next gen" console for.

    As much as it's always been done in the past- it's not been to this scale and number- and certainly hasn't been within the first year of the consoles life- making things seem even more stale.

    That's my take on it anyway.

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      #47
      I think it's very idealistic to say that they are funding the new games in the series- that's not always the case
      I'm not one of who's saying that . In most cases it's just a way to make a quick buck (just like retro packs of old) , but then it can also be a way to test interest in an IP or maintain some interest in a IP while the Team ready the sequel .

      I guess a lot of the time the frustration with so many "HD remasters" (to me, few of them deserve that title) is that it's more of an irritation with this gen. Nothing really great on the horizon from both of the main sides,
      Didn't we hear that last gen and people on here having a go at the 360 little more than a year in, and 7 odd year down the line its now seen as one of the better gaming systems, same went for the PS3 . AAA games take time to make and its not like the HD collections are being done at the main teams - They're always outsourced to smaller studios (and that can be good for them) while team main teams work on the new sequels or new IP

      Also I'm not one of lists but there's plenty of good stuff coming imo on the Xbox One & PS4 over the next year

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        #48
        Would you not agree that there are more of them appearing now than ever before? Even for titles that dont really need or deserve it (from a sales or performance perspective)is Sleeping Dogs, or Saints Row 4 for instance a classic that requires a remaster in the first place, even ignoring how recently they came out?

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          #49
          Would you not agree that there are more of them appearing now than ever before?
          No it just seems that way . . On the PS2 how many of the traditional shooters that were already available PS In Japan were also ported to the PS2 , never mind the countless retro packs the PS2 enjoyed and well the PS3 had a ton or remakes or HD collections at retail or on PSN .

          Don't like them don't buy them . I don't see the harm myself and the less I need to have the PS3 or 360 still set up the better .

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            #50
            Are you talking exclusively japan there though?

            I'm talking from a PAL perspective as that's what I had then, and it's what I've got now- and talking about all the countless retro compilations- were they out all around the same time in the lifespan as they are now- I.E within the first year?

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              #51
              Originally posted by Team Andromeda View Post
              That's a change of tune though to this never happened before .
              What?

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                #52
                Originally posted by Dogg Thang View Post
                What?
                Well we've gone from saying it never happed previous generations or that the games weren't on preceding systems , to now its just happing sooner . I mean if you want to nick pick this generation isn't at all like the last. Launching some 7 years after the previous system is new territory, the likes of Sony launching their Hardware in Japan months after the UK or USA is new .

                How about we just accept that ports of old gamers is nothing new and been seen before and done in previous generation.

                I'm talking from a PAL perspective as that's what I had then, and it's what I've got now-
                Well I was taking worldwide , but if we want to talk Pal .. I remember the Mega CD launching with SEGA Classic collections , never mind the enhanced ports of Ecco, Chuck Rock, Batman, Pitfall and countless others . Looking over that you mean to say DMC Collection, Prince of Persia ,GOD Of War 1 and II , Silent Hill Collection, MGS Collection , Hitman Collection, ICO/SOC Collection , Jak and Dankster Collection , Ratchet & Clan Collection, Zone of the Enders Collection , Sly Copper Collection didn't come out on Pal for the PS3 alone ?

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                  #53
                  At lot of these collections came a long time after the original games came out and well after the hardware they appeared on was launched.
                  Now it feels like they have so little original content they will just try to resell you the same stuff.

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by nakamura View Post
                    At lot of these collections came a long time after the original games came out and well after the hardware they appeared on was launched.
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                    Most of those on the list game came out on preceding systems, no different from now technically . Here's a thing Nak, Intead of bitching and moaning about everything to do with the next gen How about you go out and buy a XBox One or the PS4 . You may find out they're good systems with some really great games already and not half as bad as people like you love to make out , really try it .

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by Team Andromeda View Post
                      Well we've gone from saying it never happed previous generations or that the games weren't on preceding systems , to now its just happing sooner . I mean if you want to nick pick this generation isn't at all like the last. Launching some 7 years after the previous system is new territory, the likes of Sony launching their Hardware in Japan months after the UK or USA is new .

                      How about we just accept that ports of old gamers is nothing new and been seen before and done in previous generation.
                      Ah, well I'm not part of your collective 'we'. Did anyone at all say it never happened in any previous generation? I didn't see that but I certainly didn't say it. Of course it happened. Still doesn't make the situations the same. Balance of old and new, timing and the overall selection of games plays a massive part and that is different for every system and every generation. Just because every generation has had ports doesn't mean they are equal.

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                        #56
                        Loving the MGS V demo on my PS4. Great stuff.

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                          #57
                          There has always been remasters of ports but the number of them now is getting ridiculous- and that's where the problem lies.

                          You've posted a list, seemingly off the top of your head, which is by no means complete- surely that proves it? The sheer volume of them now is just silly.

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                            #58
                            Just because every generation has had ports doesn't mean they are equal.
                            No generation is equal . I'm just saying it's happened before, even when the games in question were on preceding systems and even though with the early models of PS3 and all models of PS2 you had fully BC with previous systems

                            You've posted a list, seemingly off the top of your head, which is by no means complete- surely that proves it
                            I'm just posting the games that I (and my mate) own for the PS3 - I'm sure there's loads more . So it's nothing new at all and the PS3 (if one also includes PSN) has a high number of old games . I just don't see the issues myself , don't like them don't buy them and its not like this is being done at the expense of the main team new game (given the ports are being handed out of house ) and even then this board will no doubt bitch about DMC 6 or whatever the DMC/Dragon Dogma team are working on lol

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                              #59
                              Surely the biggest issue has to be that DmC isn't good enough to get a remaster?

                              It started off ok, but by the time I hit stage 8 or 9, I just wanted it to end.

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Team Andromeda View Post
                                Most of those on the list game came out on preceding systems, no different from now technically . Here's a thing Nak, Intead of bitching and moaning about everything to do with the next gen How about you go out and buy a XBox One or the PS4 . You may find out they're good systems with some really great games already and not half as bad as people like you love to make out , really try it .
                                You've completely stepped past the point I actually made.

                                Why would I want a next gen console? One of the biggest games I wanted, Halo MCC had major issues not to mention the bundles of other fault software. Had I laid down ?400, I would have been even more damn bitchy over the shocking quality control you have bought into.

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